From topshot@indy.net Tue Nov 06 13:16:17 2001 Return-path: <topshot@indy.net> Envelope-to: dennehym@localhost Delivery-date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:16:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=dennehym) by sparks.cs.tcd.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 16165R-0000A6-00 for <dennehym@localhost>; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:16:17 +0000 Received: from mail.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.32.56] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.0) for dennehym@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:16:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net (capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.180]) by relay.cs.tcd.ie (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00449 for <Mark.Dennehy@cs.tcd.ie>; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:16:09 GMT Received: from raym-pc-1.indy.net (sdn-ar-002inthauP282.dialsprint.net [158.252.109.84]) by capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA12334; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 04:49:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20011106074315.02a52b10@pop.indy.net> X-Sender: topshot@pop.indy.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 07:52:23 -0500 To: topshot@indy.net From: Michael Ray <topshot@indy.net> Subject: UIT Mailing List Vol. 6 - #3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_509286655==_.ALT" X-UIDL: EWn"!@=?!!\R#"!#&Q"! Status: RO Content-Length: 19979 Lines: 466 --=====================_509286655==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Please e-mail address changes, unsubscribe requests, or submissions to me. To subscribe to the "real-time" version of the list send an email to uit_mailing_list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com In this issue: US FWB smallbore dealers? Eye problems Re: Eye problems Re: Eye problems Stuff for sale list Proposed ISSF rifle rule changes Re: eye problems ******************************************************************** Who is the importer of Feinwerkbau 50 meter rifles in the US? An email address and telephone would be helpful. Is there a dealer known to offer the lowest prices? Thanks, Terry Friesz ******************************************************************** >Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:13:13 +0100 (BST) >From: Joydeep Karmakar <jdkarmakar@yahoo.co.uk> >Subject: first letter >To: topshot@indy.net > > Hi there , > > this is joydeep karmakar ,a shooter from INDIA. i 've >been getting valuable info. from your mails,but have never reported.i >participate in all the national competition in our country.i do 50 m prone >and lately started 3p. In our country there is a acute shortage of weapon & >accessories and thus i have to fire with an old rifle match 54 which has >changed hands as many as 7. i have scored 581 in this rifle which was a >national record [juniors] but the score i afraid is not going to do >anything in the international level. > I wanted to know one thing that i've >-1.0 in my right eye but i dont use glasses. i dont know but i just cannot >shoot more than 25 -30 shots without having tears in my eyes. can u help me >by giving some info. about eyes and its functions in shooting sport. > thanking you and keep well > yours joydeep [Editor - If I understand you correctly, you're saying that your prescription for your eyes would be -1.0 diopters, but you do not wear glasses or contacts (at least while shooting). Are you getting tears because your eyes hurt or because they are dry? I would still recommend getting shooting glasses. I don't know how bad -1 makes your sight picture look, but it can't be helping. There has been a lot of discussion on vision and eyes in the past 2 years so you should look through the archives for some more info.] ******************************************************************** When I used to shoot a match my right eye felt numb when I finished. I visited to an optician who specialised in sport shooting who fitted me with +.50 for outdoors and a +.75 for indoors. I found it was important for the optician to understand the fact that the most important focal point is the front sight. The first optician I went to said that as my distance vision was fine and I was shooting at 50M I didnt need correction. So make sure that your optician is up with it. Regards, Gerald. ******************************************************************** Regarding Eye Problems: When obtaining a prescription for shooting glasses for rifle and pistol shooting, it is absolutely imperative that the optometrist truly understand what is required for the events shot and the equipment used. Correction requirements can be quite different between the different pistol disciplines and rifle disciplines, and whether the sights are aperture and ring, aperture and post, or notch and blade. The absolute focus on the front sight is typically not the solution and people that have the optometrist supply them a prescription to critically focus on the front sight usually are unsuccessful as the target image is then too far gone. The shooting prescription must first take care of any general requirements for fully-corrected distance vision in terms of the required sphere and cylinder needs. Following that, correction can be made for other such specific corrections as presbyopia as is commonly found in most of the population over 40 years of age. This is usually a fairly gentle spherical correction between +0.25 and +1.0 diopters which lets the eye see a good sight picture with the eyeball in its normal relaxed spherical shape without the need to accomodate with eye muscle involvement. The critical focus distance is not the front sight, but some distance between the front sight and the target. This works much like the hyperfocal distance scale on professional camera lenses where the lens is set at a calibrated distance so that infinity remains in focus while bringing the near focus distance as close as possible for the aperture selected. The above mentioned gently positive spherical correction is also somewhat dependent on lighting conditions as the pupil diameter changes as a function of ambient light and this has an effect on the depth of focus the eye is capable of. For this reason, it is wise to also have a supplemental lens that clips over the primary lens which usually is an additional +0.25 diopters for correct for this change. Shooting sports optometrists seem to be very common in Europe and very much less common in the USA. Most general optometrists will get it wrong more often than not. Recognizing that vision is such a key component to shooting is the first great step to improving it. Ed Knutson Glendale, California, USA ******************************************************************** The October list has been published....yes, it's a little late. Trying a new methodology, rather than pasting it into this e-mail, I have posted it on the Washington Smallbore Web Site and would merely direct your attention to http://members.aol.com/washsmallbore, after which you click on "Stuff for Sale" and, voila!, there it is. You can either print it out or simply remember how to get back to it. Bookmarking it isn't a bad idea, either. Unlike other pages within that web site, the sale list gets updated every few weeks, as needed. If this new methodology causes you problems, and you need to receive the Stuff for Sale list via an e-mail, please let me know. Silence = concurrence. Many new items on the list....seems like just about everybody is peddling an air rifle these days. Reminder: If you have asked to receive these periodic updates....and you change your e-mail address....I have no way of knowing what that new address is unless you tell me (well, duh). Just about every publication cycle 3 or 4 folks drop off the list for this reason. Thanks to all for your continued use of the list and the web site. Shoot 10s! John Crossman Steilacoom, Washington ******************************************************************** I wanted to know if anyone could collaborate what the USAMU told me regarding ISSF rifle rule changes for 2005. Rumors on changing pants have been going for a couple years now. Jackets down to 2.0mm thickness and pants down to 1.2mm thickness whereas they are both 2.5mm at present. Are there any other proposed changes known? Michael Ray ******************************************************************** Over the months we have had many discussions from around the world on this eye subject. The one common consensus we all have agreed on is the fact that the eye's physical focus is on the front sight. This is true for the rifle and pistol. Many of us also are aware that the physical eye's controlling element is the mental sighting technique which uses the Non-dominant mental entity to control the neuromuscular groups to achieve the Perfect Bull's-Eye. This is true for all sports that require precision eye functioning during the sport activities. The physical eye views the world at the front sight and transfers the pictorial representation to the Non-Dominant Mental Entity for analysis and instruction to the neuromuscular system for muscle alignment for the achievement of the perfect bull's-eye. So we have two systems functioning for us and that is the physical eye with the control and management by the Non-Dominant Entity during the shooting technique. We note that it was said that the bull become fuzzy and it all but disappears from sight. This not a problem as the non-dominant mental entity accomplishes analysis of the pictorial representation and finds the center of mass of the viewed object. Based upon that center of mass the instructions are being issued in continuum to the neuromuscular system to make finite adjustments for the achievement of the Perfect Bull-so eye. The precise representation of the bull is not required as the center of mass can and is found in analysis for any size or shape of bull. We can debate this to dooms day but it will never change for us. The reason for this session is to get us back on the natural functional technique of eye functioning and use. Any deviation of this technical concept in messages or instruction is detrimental to the general shooting public, precision shooting community as a whole and causes great confusion. For those who what definitive information on the physical eye then review the message by Lt Flatt on this UIT list archives. Chet Skinner, Coach Entity Sports International http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/dome/4512/index.html ******************************************************************** End of UIT Mailing List #3 Michael Ray - DBA & Systems Engineer Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. Rifle Coach UIT Shooting Page - http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/1190/index.htm --=====================_509286655==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <html> Please e-mail address changes, unsubscribe requests, or submissions to me.<br> <br> To subscribe to the "real-time" version of the list send an email to<br> <font face="arial">uit_mailing_list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com<br> <br> </font>In this issue:<br> <br> US FWB smallbore dealers?<br> Eye problems<br> Re: Eye problems<br> Re: Eye problems<br> Stuff for sale list<br> Proposed ISSF rifle rule changes<br> Re: eye problems<br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> Who is the importer of Feinwerkbau 50 meter rifles in the US? An email address and telephone would be helpful. Is there a dealer known to offer the lowest prices?<br> Thanks,<br> Terry Friesz<br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> >Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:13:13 +0100 (BST) <br> >From: Joydeep Karmakar <jdkarmakar@yahoo.co.uk> <br> >Subject: first letter <br> >To: topshot@indy.net <br> > <br> > Hi there , <br> > <br> > this is joydeep karmakar ,a shooter from INDIA. i 've <br> >been getting valuable info. from your mails,but have never reported.i <br> >participate in all the national competition in our country.i do 50 m prone <br> >and lately started 3p. In our country there is a acute shortage of weapon & <br> >accessories and thus i have to fire with an old rifle match 54 which has <br> >changed hands as many as 7. i have scored 581 in this rifle which was a <br> >national record [juniors] but the score i afraid is not going to do <br> >anything in the international level. <br> > I wanted to know one thing that i've <br> >-1.0 in my right eye but i dont use glasses. i dont know but i just cannot <br> >shoot more than 25 -30 shots without having tears in my eyes. can u help me <br> >by giving some info. about eyes and its functions in shooting sport. <br> > thanking you and keep well <br> > yours joydeep<br> <br> [Editor - If I understand you correctly, you're saying that your <br> prescription for your eyes would be -1.0 diopters, but you do not wear <br> glasses or contacts (at least while shooting). Are you getting tears <br> because your eyes hurt or because they are dry? I would still recommend <br> getting shooting glasses. I don't know how bad -1 makes your sight picture <br> look, but it can't be helping. There has been a lot of discussion on vision <br> and eyes in the past 2 years so you should look through the archives for <br> some more info.]<br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> When I used to shoot a match my right eye felt numb when I finished. <br> I visited to an optician who specialised in sport shooting <br> who fitted me with +.50 for outdoors and a +.75 for indoors. <br> I found it was important for the optician to understand the fact that the <br> most important focal point is the front sight. <br> The first optician I went to said that as my distance vision was fine and I <br> was shooting at 50M I didnt need correction. <br> So make sure that your optician is up with it. <br> Regards, <br> Gerald.<br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> Regarding Eye Problems:<br> When obtaining a prescription for shooting glasses for rifle and pistol <br> shooting, it is absolutely imperative that the optometrist truly understand <br> what is required for the events shot and the equipment used. Correction <br> requirements can be quite different between the different pistol disciplines <br> and rifle disciplines, and whether the sights are aperture and ring, <br> aperture and post, or notch and blade. The absolute focus on the front <br> sight is typically not the solution and people that have the optometrist <br> supply them a prescription to critically focus on the front sight usually <br> are unsuccessful as the target image is then too far gone. The shooting <br> prescription must first take care of any general requirements for <br> fully-corrected distance vision in terms of the required sphere and cylinder <br> needs. Following that, correction can be made for other such specific <br> corrections as presbyopia as is commonly found in most of the population <br> over 40 years of age. This is usually a fairly gentle spherical correction <br> between +0.25 and +1.0 diopters which lets the eye see a good sight picture <br> with the eyeball in its normal relaxed spherical shape without the need to <br> accomodate with eye muscle involvement. The critical focus distance is not <br> the front sight, but some distance between the front sight and the target. <br> This works much like the hyperfocal distance scale on professional camera <br> lenses where the lens is set at a calibrated distance so that infinity <br> remains in focus while bringing the near focus distance as close as possible <br> for the aperture selected.<br> The above mentioned gently positive spherical correction is also somewhat <br> dependent on lighting conditions as the pupil diameter changes as a function <br> of ambient light and this has an effect on the depth of focus the eye is <br> capable of. For this reason, it is wise to also have a supplemental lens <br> that clips over the primary lens which usually is an additional +0.25 <br> diopters for correct for this change.<br> Shooting sports optometrists seem to be very common in Europe and very much <br> less common in the USA. Most general optometrists will get it wrong more <br> often than not.<br> Recognizing that vision is such a key component to shooting is the first <br> great step to improving it.<br> Ed Knutson <br> Glendale, California, USA<br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> The October list has been published....yes, it's a little late. Trying a <br> new methodology, rather than pasting it into this e-mail, I have posted it <br> on the Washington Smallbore Web Site and would merely direct your attention <br> to <a href="http://members.aol.com/washsmallbore" eudora="autourl"><font color="#0000FF"><u>http://members.aol.com/washsmallbore</a></u></font>, after which you click on "Stuff for <br> Sale" and, voila!, there it is. You can either print it out or simply <br> remember how to get back to it. Bookmarking it isn't a bad idea, either. <br> Unlike other pages within that web site, the sale list gets updated every <br> few weeks, as needed.<br> If this new methodology causes you problems, and you need to receive the <br> Stuff for Sale list via an e-mail, please let me know. Silence = <br> concurrence.<br> Many new items on the list....seems like just about everybody is peddling an <br> air rifle these days.<br> Reminder: If you have asked to receive these periodic updates....and you <br> change your e-mail address....I have no way of knowing what that new address <br> is unless you tell me (well, duh). Just about every publication cycle 3 or <br> 4 folks drop off the list for this reason.<br> Thanks to all for your continued use of the list and the web site.<br> Shoot 10s!<br> John Crossman <br> Steilacoom, Washington<br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> I wanted to know if anyone could collaborate what the USAMU told me regarding ISSF rifle rule changes for 2005. Rumors on changing pants have been going for a couple years now. Jackets down to 2.0mm thickness and pants down to 1.2mm thickness whereas they are both 2.5mm at present. Are there any other proposed changes known?<br> <br> Michael Ray<br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> Over the months we have had many discussions from around the world on this <br> eye subject. The one common consensus we all have agreed on is the fact <br> that the eye's physical focus is on the front sight. This is true for the <br> rifle and pistol.<br> Many of us also are aware that the physical eye's controlling element is the <br> mental sighting technique which uses the Non-dominant mental entity to <br> control the neuromuscular groups to achieve the Perfect Bull's-Eye. This is <br> true for all sports that require precision eye functioning during the sport <br> activities. The physical eye views the world at the front sight and <br> transfers the pictorial representation to the Non-Dominant Mental Entity for <br> analysis and instruction to the neuromuscular system for muscle alignment <br> for the achievement of the perfect bull's-eye.<br> So we have two systems functioning for us and that is the physical eye with <br> the control and management by the Non-Dominant Entity during the shooting <br> technique. <br> We note that it was said that the bull become fuzzy and it all but <br> disappears from sight. This not a problem as the non-dominant mental entity <br> accomplishes analysis of the pictorial representation and finds the center <br> of mass of the viewed object. Based upon that center of mass the <br> instructions are being issued in continuum to the neuromuscular system to <br> make finite adjustments for the achievement of the Perfect Bull-so eye. <br> The precise representation of the bull is not required as the center of mass <br> can and is found in analysis for any size or shape of bull.<br> We can debate this to dooms day but it will never change for us.<br> The reason for this session is to get us back on the natural functional <br> technique of eye functioning and use. Any deviation of this technical <br> concept in messages or instruction is detrimental to the general shooting <br> public, <br> precision shooting community as a whole and causes great confusion.<br> For those who what definitive information on the physical eye then review <br> the message by Lt Flatt on this UIT list archives.<br> Chet Skinner, Coach <br> Entity Sports International <br> <font color="#0000FF"><u><a href="http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/dome/4512/index.html" eudora="autourl">http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/dome/4512/index.html<br> <br> </a></u></font>********************************************************************<br> End of UIT Mailing List #3<br> <br> <div>Michael Ray - DBA & Systems Engineer</div> <div>Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. Rifle Coach</div> <div>UIT Shooting Page - <a href="http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/1190/index.htm" EUDORA=AUTOURL>http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/1190/index.htm</a></div> </html> --=====================_509286655==_.ALT--