From topshot@indy.net Wed Nov 29 05:32:10 2000 Return-path: Envelope-to: dennehym@localhost Delivery-date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:32:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=dennehym) by sparks.cs.tcd.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 140zqg-0004pu-00 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:32:06 +0000 Received: from mail.cs.tcd.ie by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.3.3) for dennehym@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:32:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp02.mail.onemain.com (SMTP-OUT003.ONEMAIN.COM [63.208.208.73]) by relay.cs.tcd.ie (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA14822 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:30:55 GMT Received: (qmail 19190 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2000 05:25:17 -0000 Received: from ip209-183-88-64.ts.indy.net (HELO raym-pc-1.indy.net) ([209.183.88.64]) (envelope-sender ) by 10.209.20.32 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 29 Nov 2000 05:25:17 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20001128235559.00cc2510@pop.indy.net> X-Sender: topshot@pop.indy.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:24:29 -0500 To: topshot@indy.net From: Michael Ray Subject: UIT Mailing List Vol. 5 - #5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_481026669==_.ALT" X-UIDL: ]>n!!3YX"!)`-!!g"+!! Status: RO Content-Length: 26441 Lines: 514 --=====================_481026669==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Please e-mail address changes, unsubscribe requests, or submissions to me. In this issue: Thoughts on peak performance? Re: Eye Dominance Re: Quality 300M 3P rifle (Sig?) Re: Quality 300M 3P rifle (Sig?) Re: Which jacket is the best Re: Which jacket is the best How to adjust free rifle? Air pistol training and techniques? Staying focused ****************************************************************** What are the experts thoughts on peak performance? I've often heard and read that you should let up your training schedule a week or so before the "big match" and maybe not even practice a day or two before hand. I'm not sure what our US Olympians did this year, but our performance as a whole was not overwhelming at all. Any thoughts on how to train so you perform at your best at the most important match? Your Editor Michael Ray ****************************************************************** Eye Dominance Years ago I use to hear people say that up to that time there had never been an Olympian that shot with opposite eye dominence. I'm not convince that was true. Since the mid 80's I have come to personnally know world champions and world record holders that shot with the opposite. For one year in the early 90's I shot totally left eye/handed with a borrowed BSA Martini and leather jachet etc. and did very well only lowering my average a couple points. The followings years I experimented with cross over sights now and then with success. Eye dominence was never really a problem as much as physical position. I'm left eye dominent but have shot right handed for years. The point I'd like to make is that eye dominence is a learned process that takes time to learn when switching. Shooting with the combination that is most comfortable, won't cause conflict or fatique and can been performed continuously throughout the match is the way to go. On a closing note often I have asked my shooters to shoot the opposite hand for fun but it also has a purpose. Such as rounding/balancing out an athlete much in the same way as weight training requires training for the opposite muscles also. Jon Wolters ******************************************************************** In reply to the letter about 300m rifles. The SIG is good, but there are also very fine rifles from Bleiker, Grunig and Elmiger and Tanner, all Swiss. Contact Freesport in Switzerland via internet. Joe Ritter there will help you. 6BR is the cartidge of choice these days. While importation is a hassle, the dollar is very strong against European currencies at the moment, so prices are much lower than they once were. Kurt Ingham ******************************************************************** Hello, I'm a french rifle shooter who lives near Swizerland. As a member of a French Swiss Rifle Club, I use from time to time a Sig 205 rifle (CISM model with10 rounds magazine, 7.5X55 caliber). Traditionals 300 M Swiss competitions are shot with Standard Rifles (also with SIG assault Rifles but it's not the subject) and 7.5X55 manufactured munitions (handloaded ones are not authorized). As there are a lot of good results between 97 and 100 per serie (on an ISSF 300M target) with this rifle (it's the most used in swizerland because of its quality/cost rate), I can say it's a good rifle (barrels are also the original ones). Furthermore I think you can obtain best results with handloaded munitions and a less "shaking" munition like 6mmBR for example. My club own 2 Sig 205 for 5 years and more than 10 diferents shooters use it without any problem. I've never shot the Blaser R93 but I've held one at a gun show and I've noticed the stock was really too small for my hand. As I know, barrels are not interchangeable. I don't know anyone who shoots with the .22 Cal kit adaptor but I use one of this system in a K31 Schmitt Rubin carbin (It was the regular rifle in the swiss army before 1957) and I obtained scores around 80/100 at 50 meters (prone shooting, military sight, Eley Club munitions, ISSF 50M targets). But I'm conviced you can obtain very higher scores with the SIG 205 Rifle. This system is compatible with the 7.5X55 caliber but I don't know if it's true with others (I don't believe it can run with 6mmBR because of the thickness the adaptor tube would be). I think it was developped to train with the rifle at the lowest cost as possible (cheap munition, 50 M shooting range) and not in an accuracy aim. The SIG 205 and Blaser R93 Prices in France are about 2200 US$. Others standard rifles are used in Swizerland and France. From my point of view the bests rifles are made by Gruning & Elminger : http://www.gruenel.com/ The new standard rifle "Future Target 300" is not shown yet on the web pages but it's really a very good model (and beautiful too). Price in France = 3000 US$ I believe their 300M free rifles are the most used in international competitions. The Bleiker company makes very good rifles too (used by the 3X20 french team members) : http://www.bleiker.ch/Sportwaffen/Sportwaffen.htm Price in France = 3000 US$ Steyr (Austrian rifles with the best quality/cost rate). I think the quality is near the SIG 205 one : http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/ Price in France = 1500 US$ Unique (French rifles with interchangeable barrels) http://www.unique-france.com/u-arms/t3000standard.html Price in France = 2200 US$ I've seen also Taner rifles (Swizerland, old conception), Cooper rifles (near the SIG model) and seehuber ones (Germany) but I don't know if these companies have Web pages. I hope it will help you in your search. Before making your definitive choice I advise you to wait the SIG new model with aluminium stock (near the Hammerli AR 50 Alu air rifle stock because it's the same company, have a look at it : http://www.haemmerli.ch). I've held it last summer at The Swiss Federal Shooting competition and I'm sure it will be a future Best-seller (in the very little world of standard rifles). Jerome Garcon. Swiss Shooters of Lyon club member. France. jeromegarcon@aol.com ******************************************************************** Hey Mr. Ray, In response to Lana's question on your mailing list. I just purchased a Custom Kustermann coat and pants combo that was only $600. They are all canvas and were the lowest line Centershots had (which are still very good). I do agree with editors note that leather and canvas coats/pants have the best of both world's, but are more expensive. If you are still growing I don't think you should spend that kind of money for something that you might out grow, but if you are not, the leather and canvas coats/pants last longer. Ross Miller Spazegun2213@aol.com ******************************************************************** As for shooting jackets. The issue with jackets is not who manufactures their products better, but rather who can tailor them in a way that they would fit! I had Thune make three jackets that did not fit (two were measured by me and one was measured by Neal Johnson). The jackets came with the wrong measurements. We kept the first two (of which one went back for repair) and the third one was refunded. I had two Sauer jackets made for me. One was tailored based on measurements taken by one of their dealers in the US and the other one was measured by Mr. Sauer himself in Italy. None of them fit! My daughter had one made also, she was measured by one of their dealers, and her jacket does not fit properly either. I do not know if this is only my experience, but in my opinion they all claim (manufactures & dealers) to be able to tailor a jacket that would fit the person by taking about 20 different measurements, but from my experience, they cannot deliver. I wonder if other people have the same experience. Eitan Barazani ******************************************************************** I have just purchased an additional rifle with fully adjustable stocks, i.e. pull, cheekpiece height, drop, trigger position, etc. This is in addition to my RWS 75 TO1 which I have been using for about a year. Here's the question. What is the sequence of adjustments or procedure for setting up the stocks? If it were a car, we would do legs first with the seat bottom, followed by the seat back followed by the steering wheel and so on. In addition, should the length of pull on these rifles be shorter than typical on a shotgun or hunting rifle? Some of the answers seem self evident but I may be missing something. Your thoughts would be appreciated. These rifles are both getting used for standing 10 meter shooting or 10 meter bench rest shooting in the Senior Olympics. My copy of New Position Rifle Shooting doesn't cover this detail very well although I think the book is generally terrific. By the way, If the Senior Olympics in your area is staging these events, it is worth getting involved. New Mexico (my group) has some good shooters in both rifle and pistol. Thanks paul@cnsp.com [Editor - Vol 3 #37 has an excellent response on how to adjust the buttplate and cheekpiece.] ******************************************************************** I would like to know about exercises for the arm and other techniques for the UIT 10 metre airpistol shoot. Topgun [Editor - You may wish to visit the Target Talk BBS at http://www.pilkguns.com as they focus mostly on pistol. Some good info over there.] ******************************************************************** The biggest problem an athlete can achieve is the inability to control thoughts (their attention). The thought (attention) is like mice that jump here then there and maybe back again. It seems that the moment of attention flits from one thing to another (usually things of the past) and this is the typical match pressure that will defeat most athletes. We have to stop the moment of attention from flitting from one thought to another. We do this by clearing every thing from the mind and filling the mind with that which will give us the perfect one-shot-match and the (perfect bullseye) PBE Gold. By doing this we stop the spontaneous thoughts (flitting of attention) which detracts from our achieving the determined goal that we have accepted. Spontaneous thought is nothing more than the flitting (switching our attention) of our thoughts upon things that are totally unrelated to the ongoing shooting technique. Such flitting around by the attention is the destructive force that hold most shooter athletes down to the scores below 550. The attention must be held upon the shooting technique and the mental checklist. By so doing the shooting athlete removes all negative thoughts and other thoughts that have nothing to do with the shooting technique. Remember, if the spontaneous thought has nothing to do with the accomplishment of the one shot match and the achieving of the PBE, Then the athlete must not accept the thought but totally reject it without thought analysis. Instructions must be given to the (non-dominant mental entity) NDME that any thought that does not benefit the shooting function and technique must be rejected without thought before the DME is consciously made aware of its presents. If any negative thought or wrong spontaneous thought reaches the DME into consciousness you have lost....and Will continue to lose. No one wins who place their mind in the past or in the real world, The shooting athlete must always think in the future (the goal the technique and the mental checklist to the PBE and Gold) in such a way the athlete will carry out the shooting technique to the accepted goal. If your conscious mind is worrying about the just completed action then the NDME will not work toward the PBE and gold. It will replay the real world history of events. You will never win unless you can brake the circuit and start working toward the future and the accepted goal. Chet Skinner, Coach Entity Sports International http://www.geocities/colosseum/dome/4512/index.html ******************************************************************** End of UIT Mailing List #5 Michael Ray - DBA & Systems Engineer Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. 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In this issue:

Thoughts on peak performance?
Re: Eye Dominance
Re: Quality 300M 3P rifle (Sig?)
Re: Quality 300M 3P rifle (Sig?)
Re: Which jacket is the best
Re: Which jacket is the best
How to adjust free rifle?
Air pistol training and techniques?
Staying focused

******************************************************************

What are the experts thoughts on peak performance? I've often heard and read that you should let up your training schedule a week or so before the "big match" and maybe not even practice a day or two before hand. I'm not sure what our US Olympians did this year, but our performance as a whole was not overwhelming at all.

Any thoughts on how to train so you perform at your best at the most important match?

Your Editor
Michael Ray

******************************************************************

Eye Dominance
Years ago I use to hear people say that up to that time there had never been an Olympian that shot with opposite eye dominence. I'm not convince that was true.
Since the mid 80's I have come to personnally know world champions and world record holders that shot with the opposite. For one year in the early 90's I shot totally left eye/handed with a borrowed BSA Martini and leather jachet etc. and did very well only lowering my average a couple points.
The followings years I experimented with cross over sights now and then with success.
Eye dominence was never really a problem as much as physical position. I'm left eye dominent but have shot right handed for years.
The point I'd like to make is that eye dominence is a learned process that takes time to learn when switching. Shooting with the combination that is most comfortable, won't cause conflict or fatique and can been performed continuously throughout the match is the way to go.
On a closing note often I have asked my shooters to shoot the opposite hand for fun but it also has a purpose. Such as rounding/balancing out an athlete
much in the same way as weight training requires training for the opposite muscles also.
Jon Wolters

********************************************************************

In reply to the letter about 300m rifles. The SIG is good, but there are
also very fine rifles from Bleiker, Grunig and Elmiger and Tanner, all Swiss.
Contact Freesport in Switzerland via internet. Joe Ritter there will help
you.
6BR is the cartidge of choice these days.
While importation is a hassle, the dollar is very strong against European
currencies at the moment, so prices are much lower than they once were.
Kurt Ingham

********************************************************************

Hello, I'm a french rifle shooter who lives near Swizerland. As a member of a
French Swiss Rifle Club, I use from time to time a Sig 205 rifle (CISM model
with10 rounds magazine, 7.5X55 caliber).
Traditionals 300 M Swiss competitions are shot with Standard Rifles (also
with SIG assault Rifles but it's not the subject) and 7.5X55 manufactured
munitions (handloaded ones are not authorized). As there are a lot of good
results between 97 and 100 per serie (on an ISSF 300M target) with this rifle
(it's the most used in swizerland because of its quality/cost rate), I can
say it's a good rifle (barrels are also the original ones). Furthermore I
think you can obtain best results with handloaded munitions and a less
"shaking" munition like 6mmBR for example.
My club own 2 Sig 205 for 5 years and more than 10 diferents shooters use it
without any problem.
I've never shot the Blaser R93 but I've held one at a gun show and I've
noticed the stock was really too small for my hand.
As I know, barrels are not interchangeable. I don't know anyone who shoots
with the .22 Cal kit adaptor but I use one of this system in a K31 Schmitt
Rubin carbin (It was the regular rifle in the swiss army before 1957) and I
obtained scores around 80/100 at 50 meters (prone shooting, military sight,
Eley Club munitions, ISSF 50M targets). But I'm conviced you can obtain very
higher scores with the SIG 205 Rifle. This system is compatible with the
7.5X55 caliber but I don't know if it's true with others (I don't believe it
can run with 6mmBR because of the thickness the adaptor tube would be). I
think it was developped to train with the rifle at the lowest cost as
possible (cheap munition, 50 M shooting range) and not in an accuracy aim.
The SIG 205 and Blaser R93 Prices in France are about 2200 US$.
Others standard rifles are used in Swizerland and France. From my point of
view the bests rifles are made by Gruning & Elminger :
http://www.gruenel.com/
The new standard rifle "Future Target 300" is not shown yet on the web pages
but it's really a very good model (and beautiful too). Price in France = 3000
US$
I believe their 300M free rifles are the most used in international
competitions.
The Bleiker company makes very good rifles too (used by the 3X20 french team
members) :
http://www.bleiker.ch/Sportwaffen/Sportwaffen.htm
Price in France = 3000 US$
Steyr (Austrian rifles with the best quality/cost rate). I think the quality
is near the SIG 205 one :
http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/
Price in France = 1500 US$
Unique (French rifles with interchangeable barrels)
http://www.unique-france.com/u-arms/t3000standard.html
Price in France = 2200 US$
I've seen also Taner rifles (Swizerland, old conception), Cooper rifles (near
the SIG model) and seehuber ones (Germany) but I don't know if these
companies have Web pages.
I hope it will help you in your search.
Before making your definitive choice I advise you to wait the SIG new model
with aluminium stock (near the Hammerli AR 50 Alu air rifle stock because
it's the same company, have a look at it : http://www.haemmerli.ch). I've
held it last summer at The Swiss Federal Shooting competition and I'm sure it
will be a future Best-seller (in the very little world of standard rifles).
Jerome Garcon.
Swiss Shooters of Lyon club member.
France.
jeromegarcon@aol.com

********************************************************************

Hey Mr. Ray,
In response to Lana's question on your mailing list. I just purchased
a Custom Kustermann coat and pants combo that was only $600. They are all
canvas and were the lowest line Centershots had (which are still very good).
I do agree with editors note that leather and canvas coats/pants have the
best of both world's, but are more expensive. If you are still growing I
don't think you should spend that kind of money for something that you might
out grow, but if you are not, the leather and canvas coats/pants last longer.

Ross Miller
Spazegun2213@aol.com

********************************************************************

As for shooting jackets.
The issue with jackets is not who manufactures their products better, but rather who can tailor them in a way that they would fit!
I had Thune make three jackets that did not fit (two were measured by me and one was measured by Neal Johnson). The jackets came with the wrong measurements. We kept the first two (of which one went back for repair) and the third one was refunded.
I had two Sauer jackets made for me. One was tailored based on measurements taken by one of their dealers in the US and the other one was measured by Mr. Sauer himself in Italy. None of them fit! My daughter had one made also, she was measured by one of their dealers, and her jacket does not fit properly either.
I do not know if this is only my experience, but in my opinion they all claim (manufactures & dealers) to be able to tailor a jacket that would fit the person by taking about 20 different measurements, but from my experience, they cannot deliver.
I wonder if other people have the same experience.
Eitan Barazani

********************************************************************

I have just purchased an additional rifle with fully adjustable stocks, i.e.
pull, cheekpiece height, drop, trigger position, etc. This is in addition to
my RWS 75 TO1 which I have been using for about a year. Here's the question.
What is the sequence of adjustments or procedure for setting up the stocks?
If it were a car, we would do legs first with the seat bottom, followed by
the seat back followed by the steering wheel and so on. In addition, should
the length of pull on these rifles be shorter than typical on a shotgun or
hunting rifle? Some of the answers seem self evident but I may be missing
something. Your thoughts would be appreciated. These rifles are both getting
used for standing 10 meter shooting or 10 meter bench rest shooting in the
Senior Olympics. My copy of New Position Rifle Shooting doesn't cover this
detail very well although I think the book is generally terrific. By the
way, If the Senior Olympics in your area is staging these events, it is
worth getting involved. New Mexico (my group) has some good shooters in both
rifle and pistol.
Thanks
paul@cnsp.com

[Editor - Vol 3 #37 has an excellent response on how to adjust the buttplate and cheekpiece.]

********************************************************************

I would like to know about exercises for the arm
and other techniques for the UIT 10 metre airpistol shoot.
Topgun

[Editor - You may wish to visit the Target Talk BBS at http://www.pilkguns.com as they focus mostly on pistol. Some good info over there.]

********************************************************************

The biggest problem an athlete can achieve is the inability to control
thoughts (their attention). The thought (attention) is like mice that jump
here then there and maybe back again. It seems that the moment of
attention flits from one thing to another (usually things of the past) and
this is the typical match pressure that will defeat most athletes.

We have to stop the moment of attention from flitting from one thought to
another. We do this by clearing every thing from the mind and filling the
mind with that which will give us the perfect one-shot-match and the (perfect bullseye) PBE
Gold. By doing this we stop the spontaneous thoughts (flitting of
attention) which detracts from our achieving the determined goal that we
have accepted. Spontaneous thought is nothing more than the flitting
(switching our attention) of our thoughts upon things that are totally
unrelated to the ongoing shooting technique. Such flitting around by the
attention is the destructive force that hold most shooter athletes down to
the scores below 550. The attention must be held upon the shooting
technique and the mental checklist. By so doing the shooting athlete
removes all negative thoughts and other thoughts that have nothing to do
with the shooting technique. Remember, if the spontaneous thought has
nothing to do with the accomplishment of the one shot match and the
achieving of the PBE, Then the athlete must not accept the thought but
totally reject it without thought analysis. Instructions must be given to
the (non-dominant mental entity) NDME that any thought that does not benefit the shooting function and
technique must be rejected without thought before the DME is consciously
made aware of its presents. If any negative thought or wrong spontaneous
thought reaches the DME into consciousness you have lost....and Will
continue to lose.

No one wins who place their mind in the past or in the real world, The
shooting athlete must always think in the future (the goal the technique and
the mental checklist to the PBE and Gold) in such a way the athlete will
carry out the shooting technique to the accepted goal. If your conscious
mind is worrying about the just completed action then the NDME will not work
toward the PBE and gold. It will replay the real world history of events.
You will never win unless you can brake the circuit and start working toward
the future and the accepted goal.

Chet Skinner, Coach
Entity Sports International
http://www.geocities/colosseum/dome/4512/index.html

********************************************************************
End of UIT Mailing List #5

Michael Ray - DBA & Systems Engineer
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. Rifle Coach
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