From topshot@indy.net Fri Nov 10 14:10:55 2000 Return-path: Envelope-to: dennehym@localhost Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:10:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=dennehym) by sparks.cs.tcd.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13uEtH-0001Bs-00 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:10:51 +0000 Received: from mail.cs.tcd.ie by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.3.3) for dennehym@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:10:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail016.mail.onemain.com (SMTP-OUT001.ONEMAIN.COM [63.208.208.71]) by relay.cs.tcd.ie (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA01248 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:08:40 GMT Received: (qmail 2995 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2000 14:07:41 -0000 Received: from ip209-183-88-71.ts.indy.net (HELO raym-pc-1.indy.net) ([209.183.88.71]) (envelope-sender ) by mail016.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Nov 2000 14:07:41 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20001110083328.00bdd330@pop.indy.net> X-Sender: topshot@pop.indy.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:08:36 -0500 To: topshot@indy.net From: Michael Ray Subject: UIT Mailing List Vol. 5 - #4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1115113117==_.ALT" X-UIDL: B>@"!gKh!!&i;!!0La!! Status: RO Content-Length: 25122 Lines: 576 --=====================_1115113117==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Please e-mail address changes, unsubscribe requests, or submissions to me. In this issue: Re: Looking for eye surgeon Re: Looking for eye surgeon Looking for fine-pitch metric screws Re: Eye Dominance Re: Eye Dominance Re: Eye Dominance Re: Ammo accuracy Re: Need help importing firearms Quality 300M 3P rifle (Sig?) Which jacket is the best? Need info for research paper Looking for good machine rest for pistol ****************************************************************** Michael - I'd like to emphasize your comments to Mr. Hoesten and add my own. Two years ago I won the prone iron sight championship at Camp Perry. I am willing to bet that I would have also been in contention for the prize for the worst eyesight on the firing line: the prescription in my shooting eye was -9.50 diopters at that time (it's now -10.0). Poor eyesight should not be a handicap for a rifle shooter. All that is needed is a pair of Knobloch or similar frames and regular visits to the eye doctor to keep the prescription current. Good shooting technique is more important than good eyesight. Keeping the front sight perfectly centered in the rear sight is a hundred times more important than how you see the bull inside the front sight. I have had "bad eye days" when all I can get is a fuzzy gray oval downrange -- an impossile object to perfectly center in the front sight. On those days I open up the front aperature a little, make sure as always that my front and rear sights stay aligned, and aim at the middle of the gray fuzz. I've shot three 1599's on days like that (the poinst were lost to the wind, not my eyes), and countless 590+ English matches. Doug Clark ******************************************************************** I recently had another surgical procedure on my eyes. Before this procedure the opthalmological surgeon discussed with me everything that could go wrong - various non-optimal results, up to and including blindness! I did seriously scare me - but I really need to have it done anyway - and the operation went really well. But this does make me agree strongly with the Editor that surgery shouldn't be done for less that very important reasons. Procedures like LASIK which don't penetrate the cornea (if everything goes well!) are less risky - but even those don't (can't) guarantee an exact result at the end. Also (according to the surgeon with whom I discussed this) they are reluctant to do a followup procedure if the first one doesn't come out exactly "right." I have had cataracts in both eyes - resulting in very severe myopia, and have had both lenses replaced. I got to choose my focal length, and have *no* power of accomodation. (I.e., after this type of surgery, one needs to wear corrective lenses to be able to see at different distances. I wear trifocals.) The surgeon tried to give me the same focal length in both eyes - but said he couldn't guarantee an exact result. He came close, but the two focal distances are still several inches different. Still I am exceedingly happy with the results and have been able to get back to shooting after years of being unable to enjoy it. --henry schaffer ******************************************************************** Your Editor once more. I'm looking for somebody in mainland Europe who could purchase some metric fine-pitch socket head cap screws and ship them to me. I could use 7 each of M6 x .75 x 33mm and M6 x .75 x 42mm. I realize these are not standard lengths but that is what the threads measured to be (from the bottom of the head to the end, not overall end to end). So I guess you would have to get 35mm and 45mm and I'll grind then down. If anyone can help me out, please email me and we can discuss details. Thanks. Michael Ray ******************************************************************** >I have heard people say that it is absolutely imperative to shoot from > the dominant eye regardless of hand dominance and then I have > heard very prominent coaches, some on this list, simply dismiss it > as if it were nothing to be concerned about. There cannot be an absolute answer to this question because people vary. While some people are strongly left or right handed, other are ambidextrous and eye dominance likewise varies a lot. For a person with a strong dominant eye or hand it is necessary to use the correct one; for others it doesn't matter much. For pistol shooters strong cross dominance is not a problem, just use the dominant hand and eye, and perhaps get crooked grips so the natural hold is correctly lined up. For rifle shooters I think cross dominance is actually an advantage. The rifle is normally supported and steered by the opposite hand from the eye; the same hand only pulls the trigger at the appropriate time. Shooting "left handed" this way seems wrong to most people, but only because they have gotten used to shooting with the dominant hand on the trigger. With practice, I believe using the dominant hand in front will prove to be both natural in feel and higher scoring, especially when this also results in use of the dominant eye. When anyone tries this for an extended period, please let us know the results - I can't do the experiment myself because that is not my situation. - Benjamin McLeod ******************************************************************** In response to Ron's inquiry as to sight dominance. I think Mr. Ray is correct. The rationale for the dominant eye/handedness shooting was to essentially eliminate the confusion of the process. Under stress without blinders you would more likely use the dominant eye in process of focusing on the sight (especially true if the dominant eye is the better of the two). This would cause all kinds of problems with insuring hits. In international shooting especially in precision rifle events (slow fire) where time is not the key factor, the matching of eye dominance and handedness becomes small in the scheme of things. While shooting for the Army we had a shooter who had won the nationals that year by the name SFC Roger Willis. When he won the nationals at Perry that year, a lot of people noticed that he canted his pistol when he shot. Many shooters I watched later copied this style of shooting one handed (citing they'd seen SFC Willis doing this), not realizing that Roger was dominant left eyed and right eye dominant. He canted his pistol across his body in order to see the sight clearly. Forwhatever it's worth. D Lee ******************************************************************** I believe that the dominant eye is the one that see better ( it happens in my case ), so you will benefit if you shoot with it. I'm right handed but I shoot leff, with no problems. One question, does anybody knows somebody who wants to sale a air rifle P70, Ansch. 2002 Compressed, Walther LG200, or some other that uses bottle, left handed. If you do, please contact me, indicating the price. Best regards Miguel Neiva teme0296@envc.pt ******************************************************************** Re: Ammo accuracy > It is a common mis-conception that shooters of less skill do not need top > shelf equipment/accuracy. I had the opportunity of discussing this very > thing in detail a number of years ago with a Ph.D. in statistical > analysis. The enlightening aspect of the analysis was that inexperienced > shooters will add significantly more points to their scores using a highly > accurate system than will elite shooters. Could you provide more detail on this analysis? The reason I'm asking is that what you describe is in contrast with some calculations of my own. In fact, I found that a 'good' shooter will on average lose more points by using 'bad' ammo than a 'poor' shooter. If you want to read more about how I got these results, and what I mean by 'good'/ 'bad'/'poor', you can go to: http://home-2.worldonline.nl/~jhogema/ballist.htm Jeroen Hogema, The Netherlands ******************************************************************** As someone who has exported rifles to USA from Australia for collectors I would not bother for target guns unless you have lots of patience, you have to get a FFL holder to apply for an Import Licence from your BATF, this can take 3 or 4 months, the exporter has to get an export licence via a Licenced Gun Dealer from our Defence Dept and the delivery costs work out to be over $100.00 per gun, you can probably get a similar gun locally with a lot less trouble and cost. Regards, -- Graeme Forbes Forbes Wholesale Pty Ltd mailto:forbes@alphalink.com.au ******************************************************************** Please, can anyone give me an idea of the approximate costs of a Sig Sauer UIT 300M Blaser R93 and the 205 UIT standard rifle and where can I possibly buy one in the USA or Canada. Is the barrel interchangeable and if so should I be worried about the quality of accuracy? Apparently there is a .22 Cal kit adaptor. Is it accurate enough to practice with? Who else produces these kind of rifles and how well do they perform among them selves and as compared to the Sig Sauer brand? Many Thanks. ******************************************************************** Hello everyone! I know there has been alot said about shooting jackets but I am still not sure what is or is not the top of the line? What is better leather or canvas? And especially how much should I spend in order to get my dollars worth? And where should I start looking? I'm not going to the Olympics but I'm seriously working on it. Can anyone coach me, please. Thanks! Lana [Editor - Thune, Mouche and Sauer seem to be most popular. Kustermann now has dealers in the US and they are good as well. There's also Monard, Truttmann, ACT (which just got a dealer too) that are probably close. Much of it comes down to fit and price. A combo of canvas and leather would be best so it is stiff where it needs to be and flexible where it needs to be. If you are still growing, I'd go with a cheaper or used one. The places to start looking in the US are Neal Johnson's in Colorado Springs (Thune, Sauer) or Center Shot Sports in Atlanta (Mouche, Kustermann). For just the jacket, you would spend $400-750. This is the quick and dirty answer. Feel free to ask more specifics.] ******************************************************************** I am a student from Canada, I also on the Army Cadet National shooting team, I travelled to Bisley, England this past summer to compete. I am doing a project on Target Shooting for sports science, and I was wondering if you knew of any links that would help to explain the biomechanics and the impact nutrition has on a shooter's performance I would really appreciate it. For my essay I am trying to relate the effects that poor/good nutrition has on the performance of the shooter. My definition of biomechanics is: breathing, aiming, holding, position, and a comparison of old equipment to new equipment(how it has improved performance). Regarding nutrition, I also want to research foods/drugs that improve an athletes performance. Thank you. Megan Jeffery mljbisley@hotmail.com ******************************************************************** "Has anyone seen or heard of machine rests for target pistols other than the Ransom. I am looking for something that is more universally adaptable to a wide variety of pistols without the need to have a large range of grip inserts, as is the case with the Ransom rest." Sincerely Tom Woodley Australia ******************************************************************** End of UIT Mailing List #4 Michael Ray - DBA & Systems Engineer Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. Rifle Coach UIT Shooting Page - http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/1190/index.htm --=====================_1115113117==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Please e-mail address changes, unsubscribe requests, or submissions to me.

In this issue:

Re: Looking for eye surgeon
Re: Looking for eye surgeon
Looking for fine-pitch metric screws
Re: Eye Dominance
Re: Eye Dominance
Re: Eye Dominance
Re: Ammo accuracy
Re: Need help importing firearms
Quality 300M 3P rifle (Sig?)
Which jacket is the best?
Need info for research paper
Looking for good machine rest for pistol

******************************************************************

Michael - I'd like to emphasize your comments to Mr. Hoesten and add my own.
Two years ago I won the prone iron sight championship at Camp Perry. I am
willing to bet that I would have also been in contention for the prize for
the worst eyesight on the firing line: the prescription in my shooting eye
was -9.50 diopters at that time (it's now -10.0). Poor eyesight should not
be a handicap for a rifle shooter. All that is needed is a pair of Knobloch
or similar frames and regular visits to the eye doctor to keep the
prescription current. Good shooting technique is more important than good
eyesight. Keeping the front sight perfectly centered in the rear sight is a
hundred times more important than how you see the bull inside the front
sight. I have had "bad eye days" when all I can get is a fuzzy gray oval
downrange -- an impossile object to perfectly center in the front sight. On
those days I open up the front aperature a little, make sure as always that
my front and rear sights stay aligned, and aim at the middle of the gray
fuzz. I've shot three 1599's on days like that (the poinst were lost to the
wind, not my eyes), and countless 590+ English matches.

Doug Clark

********************************************************************

I recently had another surgical procedure on my eyes. Before this
procedure the opthalmological surgeon discussed with me everything that
could go wrong - various non-optimal results, up to and including
blindness! I did seriously scare me - but I really need to have it done
anyway - and the operation went really well. But this does make me
agree strongly with the Editor that surgery shouldn't be done for less
that very important reasons.
Procedures like LASIK which don't penetrate the cornea (if everything goes
well!) are less risky - but even those don't (can't) guarantee an exact
result at the end. Also (according to the surgeon with whom I discussed
this) they are reluctant to do a followup procedure if the first one
doesn't come out exactly "right."
I have had cataracts in both eyes - resulting in very severe myopia,
and have had both lenses replaced. I got to choose my focal length, and
have *no* power of accomodation. (I.e., after this type of surgery, one
needs to wear corrective lenses to be able to see at different
distances. I wear trifocals.) The surgeon tried to give me the same
focal length in both eyes - but said he couldn't guarantee an exact
result. He came close, but the two focal distances are still several
inches different. Still I am exceedingly happy with the results and
have been able to get back to shooting after years of being unable to
enjoy it.
--henry schaffer

********************************************************************

Your Editor once more. I'm looking for somebody in mainland Europe who could purchase some metric fine-pitch socket head cap screws and ship them to me. I could use 7 each of M6 x .75 x 33mm and M6 x .75 x 42mm. I realize these are not standard lengths but that is what the threads measured to be (from the bottom of the head to the end, not overall end to end). So I guess you would have to get 35mm and 45mm and I'll grind then down. If anyone can help me out, please email me and we can discuss details. Thanks.

Michael Ray

********************************************************************

>I have heard people say that it is absolutely imperative to shoot from
> the dominant eye regardless of hand dominance and then I have
> heard very prominent coaches, some on this list, simply dismiss it
> as if it were nothing to be concerned about.
There cannot be an absolute answer to this question because people vary.
While some people are strongly left or right handed, other are
ambidextrous and eye dominance likewise varies a lot. For a person with
a strong dominant eye or hand it is necessary to use the correct one;
for others it doesn't matter much.
For pistol shooters strong cross dominance is not a problem, just use
the dominant hand and eye, and perhaps get crooked grips so the natural
hold is correctly lined up.
For rifle shooters I think cross dominance is actually an advantage. The
rifle is normally supported and steered by the opposite hand from the
eye; the same hand only pulls the trigger at the appropriate time.
Shooting "left handed" this way seems wrong to most people, but only
because they have gotten used to shooting with the dominant hand on the
trigger. With practice, I believe using the dominant hand in front will
prove to be both natural in feel and higher scoring, especially when
this also results in use of the dominant eye. When anyone tries this for
an extended period, please let us know the results - I can't do the
experiment myself because that is not my situation.
- Benjamin McLeod

********************************************************************

In response to Ron's inquiry as to sight dominance. I think Mr. Ray is
correct. The rationale for the dominant eye/handedness shooting was to
essentially eliminate the confusion of the process. Under stress without
blinders you would more likely use the dominant eye in process of focusing
on the sight (especially true if the dominant eye is the better of the
two). This would cause all kinds of problems with insuring hits. In
international shooting especially in precision rifle events (slow fire)
where time is not the key factor, the matching of eye dominance and
handedness becomes small in the scheme of things. While shooting for the
Army we had a shooter who had won the nationals that year by the name SFC
Roger Willis. When he won the nationals at Perry that year, a lot of
people noticed that he canted his pistol when he shot. Many shooters I
watched later copied this style of shooting one handed (citing they'd seen
SFC Willis doing this), not realizing that Roger was dominant left eyed and
right eye dominant. He canted his pistol across his body in order to see
the sight clearly.
Forwhatever it's worth.

D Lee

********************************************************************

I believe that the dominant eye is the one that see better ( it happens in
my case ), so you will benefit if you shoot with it.
I'm right handed but I shoot leff, with no problems.
One question, does anybody knows somebody who wants to sale a air rifle P70,
Ansch. 2002 Compressed, Walther LG200, or some other that uses bottle, left
handed. If you do, please contact me, indicating the price.
Best regards
Miguel Neiva
teme0296@envc.pt

********************************************************************

Re: Ammo accuracy
> It is a common mis-conception that shooters of less skill do not need top
> shelf equipment/accuracy. I had the opportunity of discussing this very
> thing in detail a number of years ago with a Ph.D. in statistical
> analysis. The enlightening aspect of the analysis was that inexperienced
> shooters will add significantly more points to their scores using a highly
> accurate system than will elite shooters.

Could you provide more detail on this analysis? The reason I'm
asking is that what you describe is in contrast with some
calculations of my own. In fact, I found that a 'good' shooter will on
average lose more points by using 'bad' ammo than a 'poor'
shooter.
If you want to read more about how I got these results, and what I
mean by 'good'/ 'bad'/'poor', you can go to:
http://home-2.worldonline.nl/~jhogema/ballist.htm

Jeroen Hogema,
The Netherlands

********************************************************************

As someone who has exported rifles to USA from Australia for collectors
I would not bother for target guns unless you have lots of patience, you
have to get a FFL holder to apply for an Import Licence from your BATF,
this can take 3 or 4 months, the exporter has to get an export licence
via a Licenced Gun Dealer from our Defence Dept and the delivery costs
work out to be over $100.00 per gun, you can probably get a similar gun
locally with a lot less trouble and cost.
Regards,
--
Graeme Forbes
Forbes Wholesale Pty Ltd
mailto:forbes@alphalink.com.au

********************************************************************

Please, can anyone give me an idea of the approximate costs of a Sig Sauer UIT 300M Blaser R93 and the 205 UIT standard rifle and where can I possibly buy one in the USA or Canada. Is the barrel interchangeable and if so should I be worried about the quality of accuracy? Apparently there is a .22 Cal kit adaptor. Is it accurate enough to practice with? Who else produces these kind of rifles and how well do they perform among them selves and as compared to the Sig Sauer brand? Many Thanks.

********************************************************************

Hello everyone! I know there has been alot said about shooting
jackets but I am still not sure what is or is not the top of the line? What
is better leather or canvas? And especially how much should I spend in order
to get my dollars worth? And where should I start looking? I'm not going to
the Olympics but I'm seriously working on it. Can anyone coach me, please. Thanks!

Lana

[Editor - Thune, Mouche and Sauer seem to be most popular. Kustermann now has dealers in the US and they are good as well. There's also Monard, Truttmann, ACT (which just got a dealer too) that are probably close. Much of it comes down to fit and price. A combo of canvas and leather would be best so it is stiff where it needs to be and flexible where it needs to be. If you are still growing, I'd go with a cheaper or used one. The places to start looking in the US are Neal Johnson's in Colorado Springs (Thune, Sauer) or Center Shot Sports in Atlanta (Mouche, Kustermann). For just the jacket, you would spend $400-750. This is the quick and dirty answer. Feel free to ask more specifics.]

********************************************************************

I am a student from Canada, I also on the Army Cadet National
shooting team, I travelled to Bisley, England this past summer
to compete. I am doing a project on Target Shooting for sports
science, and I was wondering if you knew of any links that would
help to explain the biomechanics and the impact nutrition has on
a shooter's performance I would really appreciate it.
For my essay I am trying to relate the effects that poor/good nutrition has on the performance of the shooter. My definition of biomechanics is: breathing, aiming, holding, position, and a comparison of old equipment to new equipment(how it has improved performance).
Regarding nutrition, I also want to research foods/drugs that improve an athletes performance.

Thank you.
Megan Jeffery
mljbisley@hotmail.com

********************************************************************

"Has anyone seen or heard of machine rests for target pistols other than the
Ransom. I am looking for something that is more universally adaptable to a
wide variety of pistols without the need to have a large range of grip
inserts, as is the case with the Ransom rest."
Sincerely
Tom Woodley
Australia

********************************************************************
End of UIT Mailing List #4

Michael Ray - DBA & Systems Engineer
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. Rifle Coach
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