From topshot@indy.net Tue May 01 12:34:42 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dennehym@localhost Delivery-date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:34:42 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=dennehym) by sparks.cs.tcd.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14uYQT-0006zA-00 for ; Tue, 01 May 2001 12:34:41 +0100 Received: from mail.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.32.56] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.6.8) for dennehym@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 01 May 2001 12:34:41 +0100 (IST) Received: from smtp06.mail.onemain.com (SMTP-OUT003.ONEMAIN.COM [63.208.208.73]) by relay.cs.tcd.ie (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA08519 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 12:34:01 +0100 (IST) Received: (qmail 27823 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 11:32:26 -0000 Received: from ip209-183-88-107.ts.indy.net (HELO raym-pc-1.indy.net) ([209.183.88.107]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp06.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 May 2001 11:32:26 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010501061648.027e52d0@pop.indy.net> X-Sender: topshot@pop.indy.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 06:32:20 -0500 To: topshot@indy.net From: Michael Ray Subject: UIT Mailing List Vol. 5 - #17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2147028643==_.ALT" X-UIDL: K!~"!;H_"!8]B!!-!"#! Status: RO Content-Length: 15452 Lines: 388 --=====================_2147028643==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please e-mail address changes, unsubscribe requests, or submissions to me. To subscribe to the "real-time" version of the list send an email to uit_mailing_list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com In this issue: Re: Rifle trigger weight Re: How to get a 2013 to shoot? Re: How to get a 2013 to shoot? Re: How to get a 2013 to shoot? Spanish-speaking shooting pages? Development of New International Shooting Range ******************************************************************** Everyone who shoots with a two stage trigger actually releases the shot=20 from a single stage situation (i.e. having taken up the 1st stage and=20 holding it on the 2nd, which due to the pause, sometimes quite a long=20 pause, becomes the same as a single stage). It is therefore logical to=20 shoot single stage from the outset. I believe that most people only use 2=20 stage because that it what they are introduced to on safety grounds, which= =20 is of course another fallacy. Sorting out a 2 st. trigger takes far too=20 much mental effort. Get rid of the part that is irrelevant and work on the= =20 part that actually fires the shot! For the pole: I use single stage in all positions, 80grams. Tony Credland Target Shooting......Sport for All ****************************************************************** From what knowledge I have of the 2000 series actions is that they will shoot just as good as match 54's out of the box. I just purchased a= used short barrel 2013, which i have only heard bad things about (i.e., the short barrel will never have groups as small as the long barrel's, and the same with the action) but I have seen with my own eyes is that the odds of the shooter challenging the group size is nearly impossible this is not to say that some don't shoot well, I have seen a 2013 hold 10.3 groups on the UIT target. And as a closing statement, the first place in the 2000 Olympics in the 3 X 40 used Unique (I think its spelled differently, but you can find= the URL on the editors site) and the second and third use 2013's (I'm almost positive), so it goes to show ya all that the 2000's will shoot! Ross Miller ****************************************************************** >Getting the Anschuetz 2000 to shoot > >Are we talking about 2000 series actions with Anschuetz barrels? It has >been an open secret here in Europe for at least the last two years that >Anschuetz barrels were pretty bad and you had to be very lucky to get a >good one. Considerable pressure was put on Anschuetz to sell actions alone >and I know of several people who were lucky and managed to get just >actions but, essentially, it has always been Anschuetz policy not to sell >actions alone. > >Anschuetz have never admitted that there ever was anything wrong with >their rifles. Just try and raise with them the problem of the cold barrel >shot or barrel quality. But they realised that their barrels were bad >because they have now installed new barrel-making machinery and >latest-production barrels, I have it on good authority, are very good. > >I am not aware of problems with the 2000 action and custom barrels. [Editor - The comments I've heard are not limited to factory barrels. Even the guys at our AMU have had to do lots of work to get the action truly stable where it will shoot well.] ****************************************************************** Last time I tested my 2013 short barrel in a machine rest with precision linear bearings at 20 m it shot 10 shots that would hold a spent cartridge in the hole. System- Alloy billet stock.The action is fitted with an interferance fit on the sides(5 deg taper) and bottom with 4 screws . Ammunition - Midas. Gerald Corfield ******************************************************************** Dear Michael : Is very nice for the shooters to read all the suggestions that our friends= =20 at the net put inside you mailing list,our language ( spanish ) don t have= =20 any page like this,we have no books related with our sport,only few coachs= =20 from Cuba were working here for a few months and they finally left our=20 country. All coments or suggestions related with our sport at spanish language will= =20 be well received,if you have any coach program at spanish also will be well= =20 received . All the best =A1=A1 Cristian Junemann Santiago - Chile e-mail:cjunemann@interactiva.cl ******************************************************************** Fellow Shooters, We are a group of shooting enthusiasts from different countries who live in Malaysia. We are contacting you because there is an opportunity to establish a shooting club as part of an existing recreational development. The facilities provided would include:- Rifle ranges (Up to 1000 yards) Clay pigeon ranges Trap and skeet ranges Pistol shooting ranges (indoor and outdoor) Air weapons ranges (indoor) Members individual weapons would be transported by an appointed carrier to the secure armoury on the island and returned by the same means. Weapons could also be stored in the secure facility between visits for shooters from countries, like the UK, where handguns are banned. The ranges will be located at Pulau Jerejak, a tropical island near Penang, which is being developed as recreational facility. Accommodation will be provided on the main island which is a popular tourist resort and has ample entertainment facilities for members who wish to bring their families. We have estimated the cost of a one week club trip including accommodation in a three/four star hotel, transport of weapons, transport of shooters to and from the ranges, annual membership and range fees would be around 400 US Dollars per head for one week and 500 US Dollars per head for ten days. The cost of flights would vary from country to country. We would like to take advantage of this opportunity, but there are not enough local members to justify the development of the ranges. We would like some feedback from clubs in other countries. Would your club be interested in affiliation so your members could shoot here? Is this package competitive? Would your club be willing to participate in competitions? Do you have any suggestions as to what else we could include in the club activities to make it more successful? For example what other disciplines. We would greatly appreciate your help and support in this. With my thanks and best wishes, Clive Turner. ShootingPenang@yahoo.com [Editor - an interesting concept. Of course, if you wish to hold sanctioned= =20 ISSF events, it would have to meet all those standards. Plus, if you wish=20 to host major events like a World Cup, you need at least some electronic=20 targets that would be quite expensive. For me, I wouldn't fly around the world just for a vacation to shoot at a=20 nice range. However, I would do it if it was for a major match that I was=20 able to shoot in and I had the time and money to go.] ******************************************************************** End of UIT Mailing List #17 Michael Ray - DBA & Systems Engineer Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. Rifle Coach UIT Shooting Page - http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/1190/index.htm --=====================_2147028643==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please e-mail address changes, unsubscribe requests, or submissions to me.

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In this issue:

Re: Rifle trigger weight
Re: How to get a 2013 to shoot?
Re: How to get a 2013 to shoot?
Re: How to get a 2013 to shoot?
Spanish-speaking shooting pages?
Development of New International Shooting Range

********************************************************************

Everyone who shoots with a two stage trigger actually releases the shot from a single stage situation (i.e. having taken up the 1st stage and holding it on the 2nd, which due to the pause, sometimes quite a long pause, becomes the same as a single stage). It is therefore logical to shoot single stage from the outset. I believe that most people only use 2 stage because that it what they are introduced to on safety grounds, which is of course another fallacy. Sorting out a 2 st. trigger takes far too much mental effort. Get rid of the part that is irrelevant and work on the part that actually fires the shot!

For the pole: I use single stage in all positions, 80grams.

Tony Credland
Target Shooting......Sport for All

******************************************************************

From what knowledge I have of the 2000 series actions is that they=20
will shoot just as good as match 54's out of the box. I just purchased a used
short barrel 2013, which i have only heard bad things about (i.e., the short
barrel will never have groups as small as the long barrel's, and the same
with the action) but I have seen with my own eyes is that the odds of the
shooter challenging the group size is nearly impossible this is not to say
that some don't shoot well, I have seen a 2013 hold 10.3 groups on the UIT
target. And as a closing statement, the first place in the 2000 Olympics in
the 3 X 40 used Unique (I think its spelled differently, but you can find the
URL on the editors site) and the second and third use 2013's (I'm almost
positive), so it goes to show ya all that the 2000's will shoot!

Ross Miller

******************************************************************

>Getting the Anschuetz 2000 to shoot
>
>Are we talking about 2000 series actions with Anschuetz barrels? It has
>been an open secret here in Europe for at least the last two years that
>Anschuetz barrels were pretty bad and you had to be very lucky to get a
>good one. Considerable pressure was put on Anschuetz to sell actions alone
>and I know of several people who were lucky and managed to get just
>actions but, essentially, it has always been Anschuetz policy not to sell
>actions alone.
>
>Anschuetz have never admitted that there ever was anything wrong with
>their rifles. Just try and raise with them the problem of the cold barrel
>shot or barrel quality. But they realised that their barrels were bad
>because they have now installed new barrel-making machinery and=20
>latest-production barrels, I have it on good authority, are very good.
>
>I am not aware of problems with the 2000 action and custom barrels.

[Editor - The comments I've heard are not limited to factory barrels. Even
the guys at our AMU have had to do lots of work to get the action truly
stable where it will shoot well.]

******************************************************************

Last time I tested my 2013 short barrel in a machine rest with precision
linear bearings at 20 m it shot 10 shots that would hold a spent cartridge
in the hole.
System- Alloy billet stock.The action is fitted with an interferance fit on
the sides(5 deg taper) and bottom with 4 screws .
Ammunition - Midas.

Gerald Corfield

********************************************************************

Dear Michael :
Is very nice for the shooters to read all the suggestions that our friends at the net put inside you mailing list,our language ( spanish ) don t have any page like this,we have no books related with our sport,only few coachs from Cuba were working here for a few months and they finally left our country.
All coments or suggestions related with our sport at spanish language will be well received,if you have any coach program at spanish also will be well received .
All the best =A1=A1
Cristian Junemann
Santiago - Chile
e-mail:cjunemann@interactiva.cl

*****************************************************************= ***

Fellow Shooters,
We are a group of shooting enthusiasts from different countries who live in
Malaysia. We are contacting you because there is an opportunity to
establish a shooting club as part of an existing recreational development.
The facilities provided would include:-
Rifle ranges (Up to 1000 yards)
Clay pigeon ranges
Trap and skeet ranges
Pistol shooting ranges (indoor and outdoor)
Air weapons ranges (indoor)

Members individual weapons would be transported by an appointed carrier to
the secure armoury on the island and returned by the same means. Weapons
could also be stored in the secure facility between visits for shooters
from countries, like the UK, where handguns are banned.

The ranges will be located at Pulau Jerejak, a tropical island near Penang,
which is being developed as recreational facility. Accommodation will be
provided on the main island which is a popular tourist resort and has ample
entertainment facilities for members who wish to bring their families.

We have estimated the cost of a one week club trip including accommodation
in a three/four star hotel, transport of weapons, transport of shooters to
and from the ranges, annual membership and range fees would be around 400
US Dollars per head for one week and 500 US Dollars per head for ten days.
The cost of flights would vary from country to country.

We would like to take advantage of this opportunity, but there are not
enough local members to justify the development of the ranges. We would
like some feedback from clubs in other countries. Would your club be
interested in affiliation so your members could shoot here? Is this package
competitive? Would your club be willing to participate in competitions?
Do you have any suggestions as to what else we could include in the club
activities to make it more successful? For example what other disciplines.
We would greatly appreciate your help and support in this.

With my thanks and best wishes,
Clive Turner.
ShootingPenang@yahoo.com

[Editor - an interesting concept. Of course, if you wish to hold sanctioned ISSF events, it would have to meet all those standards. Plus, if you wish to host major events like a World Cup, you need at least some electronic targets that would be quite expensive.

For me, I wouldn't fly around the world just for a vacation to shoot at a nice range. However, I would do it if it was for a major match that I was able to shoot in and I had the time and money to go.]

********************************************************************
End of UIT Mailing List #17

Michael Ray - DBA & Systems Engineer
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. Rifle Coach
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