From topshot@indy.net Sun Jul 9 21:04:56 2000 Return-Path: <topshot@indy.net> Received: from localhost (really [127.0.0.1]) by cs.tcd.ie via in.smtpd with esmtp (ident dennehym using rfc1413) id <m13BNJu-0000XSC@sparks.cs.tcd.ie> (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for <dennehym@localhost>; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:04:54 +0100 (IST) Received: from mail.cs.tcd.ie by fetchmail-4.6.4 POP3 for <dennehym/localhost> (single-drop); Sun, 09 Jul 2000 21:04:54 IST Received: from pop1.indy.net (pop1.indy.net [199.3.65.111]) by relay.cs.tcd.ie (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA08923 for <Mark.Dennehy@cs.tcd.ie>; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:01:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from raym-pc-1.indy.net (ip209-183-88-89.ts.indy.net [209.183.88.89]) by pop1.indy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27297; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:19:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000709132843.00c34b00@pop.indy.net> X-Sender: topshot@pop.indy.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:21:00 -0500 To: topshot@indy.net From: Michael Ray <topshot@indy.net> Subject: UIT Mailing List Vol. 4 - #24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_109459624==_.ALT" X-UIDL: jCJ!!Nb@!!KE"#!%mS"! Status: RO Content-Length: 31914 Lines: 615 --=====================_109459624==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Please e-mail address changes, unsubscribe requests, or submissions to me. In this issue: Sydney weather Re: Federal ammo Re: Which air rifle to buy / kneeling help Re: Need kneeling help Re: Need kneeling help How to clean clothes? Re: Need position help Opinions on Savage Arm's 900TR rifle Junior Olympic rifle camp (KS, USA) Re: kneeling help ******************************************************************** Hi! Michael. I have been passive for a long time here. Being influenced by impressions of participant of the last Autumn shooting on Sydney Olympic ranges, that cold and wind may be critical for participants of the Games coming from the Northern Hemisphere I've prepared active whether report for some important shooting ranges: http://www.stegny.com/sydney2000 I have included there mirror list of quota places taken from ISSF site, but my list loads few times quicker. I would be happy if you and/or somebody from your mailing list would exchange the links with this site. Greeting for the Editor, his family and all fellow shooters :) Wiktor Kobylinski ******************************************************************** Michael, regarding ammo velocity, wind drift and barrel vibration tuners, I shoot American Rimfire Association rimfire benchrest along with indoor/ outdoor 3P and prone. The benchrest game has some differences as the physical requirements aren't as great, but the guns accuracy and reading the wind is more critical for the average shooter. Wind drift. See my web site for a description of why slower subsonic ammo drifts less in the wind. http://www.feist.com/~benchrest/Rimfire_notes.html Item number 5 at the bottom of the page. Most of the current ammo's used in rimfire benchrest have typical velocities of 1080 fps. This includes Federal Ultramatch UM1B (or 1000B), Federal Match 900B, Lapua Midas L and M, Lapua Multimatch, Eley 10X and Eley Match Extra Plus. This is subsonic but is still not best for lowest wind drift. 900 to 950 fps is best for least wind drift. Unfortunately none of the manufactures have been able to develop an accurate round at these velocities so the 1080 range is a compromise of accuracy vs wind drift. Lapua has came out with a new round between Lapua Mildas L and Multimatch. It is called Multimatch Ultra. It is what was the best of Multimatch. So in effect they have increased the price of the best of Multimatch. Here is a reply I received from Lapua: Rich, The Multimatch Ultra is a new round that fits in between the Multimatch and Midas L. The basic difference is in their accuracy capability: Midas L average 10 shot group at 50 meters < 12.7 mm (.500 inches) Multimatch Ultra average 10 shot group at 50 meters < 14 mm (0.551 inches) Multimatch average 10 shot group at 50 meters < 17 mm (0.669 inches) Tuners: I use three tuners. Two Time Precision tuners on Time Precision benchrest rifles with Shilen barrels, Jewell triggers and McMillan stocks. The third is a Time Precision Tuner/ bloop (10 inch) tube installed on my BSA Martini MKIII. As far as benchrest goes, 99% of shooters use tuners. I can't recall anyone winning a match in the last few years without a tuner. On my two Times the tuners reduce my groups (5 shot @ 50 yds) from mid 2's to high 1's. This level of accuracy is required to win at rimfire benchrest. Scores that would win matches 4 or 5 years ago are also rans today. One increment of a tuner moves the weight approx. .001 of an inch. Most guns are sensitive to that much movement. One of my guns shoots best at a 1/2 increment adjustment! For my Martini I bought the tuner with the primary purpose of increasing the sight radius for my old eyes. Getting the front sight out further I thought would help. Not so for me. Shooting glasses have helped the most but still not perfect. But as an aside, I find the Martini with Lapua Multimatch shoots about .33 without the tuner and about .3 with it. I have not tried anyother ammo's as this is plenty good for my skill level. I have tried shooting with the tuner both prone and 3P. It does not work well for 3P as the balance is way off. So I am using it for Prone matches only. It has a clamp on the barrel that stays permanently attached with a key that allows the tuner to be reinstalled in exactly the same position. Ammo: This season, Lapua Midas L, Eley 10X and Federal Ultramatch UM1B are most popular, followed by Multimatch, 900B and Match Extra Plus. Most stay away from Federal because it leads to much. Some cannot shoot an entire match without accuracy starting to fade due to lead build up. A match consist of 1/2 dozen fouling shots, 5 - 10 sighters and 25 record shots. Those that are able to use Federal find they must clean with something such as Shooters Choice Lead Remover and spend more time cleaning than those than use Lapua or Eley. Eley is coming on strong this year. It was the ammo of choice for benchrest in the early 90's until about 1996 when it lost favor to Lapua. But Eley has upgraded their equipment. Go to my web site for article #44 and #45 on reading Eley lot numbers. Also #67 gives some results of testing some of the new Eley. Lapua has a love hate relation ship with benchresters. Many say they will never use it again because Lapua acts as though they don't care about shooters. Midas L has been extremely hard to get and when asked Lapua or there American importer seem to blame one another. I personally have used Lapua Midas L since 1996 and find it extremely accurate. This year I have set Missouri and Kansas records with it and Shot the best scores of the season in Texas. It really works and I'm lucky to have a number of cases. My guns almost seem to ignore the wind(G). Rich [Editor - for those of you who haven't visited it, I will say Rich's rimfire page has lots of nice tidbits and advice. You should check it out. The music gets kind of annoying though. 8^) ] ******************************************************************** << [Editor - IMHO, accuracy-wise it makes no difference so it comes down to which ever one fits you best and has a trigger you like. I'm surprised the P70 only goes for 100 shots. Perhaps the junior model you're using comes with a smaller cylinder also? I thought all the brands were using 200bar cylinders.] >> The P70 Jr. really has the same 200 bar level in it, but from what I can see it uses more air per shot than the anschuetz (but I'm rather inexperienced). But it is too small and shot wise anything over 120 shots per cylinder is good for me. Thank you for posting my message on your news letter. Many Thanks Ross Miller Ps: about your kneeling position I have two pieces of advice. First try "getting more into the position," what I mean by that is move the hand stop out an inch or two and then do what you have too to get in relatively your position Second, also try moving your right arm farther out on your knee and/or try increasing your left leg-knee degree. Other than that I don't know what to say but Good Luck! [Editor - I think any of the major makers will be essentially equal in all regards. If you get the AL stocks that are popular now, fit probably doesn't play anywhere nearly the role as it once did since they are now so adjustable. If you stay with wood, you should try a sample of each to see which don't fit well. Then it just comes down to which one you can get the best deal on as there can be a $500 range.] ******************************************************************** Re: Kneeling position, When instructing (in the Army) the basic "kneeling position" was taught as you basically have it now, but with one slight modification and that was the "trailing foot" was not squatted on but turned sideways and parallel to the ground and then you sat on it. This removed excess/undue pressure from the foot/toes which is the main cause of problems incurred in your marksmanship ability and also makes the use of a "cushion" redundant. The reason for this was to give you a "stable firing platform" which all but eliminates any movement (the wobbles, pulse, etc). This may seem uncomfortable to start with, but practice and slight adjustments in the leg position to facilitate your own comfort will be beneficial over time. Stephen Manning Communications Eastern Region ****************************************************************** When it come to kneeling position - I judge myself EXPERT ;-), therefore I give the following analysis of the position on the picture: The fundament of the position is too small. The left knee (links shooter) should be moved outwards to create a 60-70 degrees angle with the right leg seen from above. Spine should sit in a relaxed and natural position (more straight up than the picture) and right elbow placed on the right knee NATURALLY, without leaning forwards. Then, one starts with the handstop and the hook taken off, so that one does not restrict the position in any way by applying the rifle. Distance from handstop to buttplate should be exactly long enough to make the buttplate fit into the shoulder without having to push the shoulder forward. The picture shows a position where the shooter has placed the handstop 2-3 inches to far back on the stock, resulting in spine and shoulder leaned forward - which in turn leads to an unstable position. The right leg should be placed at 80 degrees angle to the rifle rather than at 45 degrees. 80 degrees angle with the right leg, 20 degrees with the left leg - and we have a triangle where every angle is 60 degrees - the most stable triangle you can make! The narrow position will not be very stable sideways, because of the small and narrow area of support. A person with long legs would have both the right knee and the left foot rather far forward in the position, and the sideways support for the rear part of the position would be zero! Magnus ******************************************************************** Dear Michael, I have a question: how to clean the shooting clothing without altering its stiffness? This seems a very difficult matter, since not even the manufaturer has a definitive instruction. As for kneeling, perhaps you should try a higher position of your sling in kneeling and pay attention to your left foot. I noticed in the puctures that it is slightly angled backwards and not firmly anchored to ground. Just some suggestions! Guido Lastra Bogota ******************************************************************** Guido Lastra's inability to coordinate optimum sight picture with trigger release must be familiar to all positional shooters. When I was shooting on the Moscow State University team many moons ago, my coach taught me the following trick. First, you have to determine how long it takes you to achieve stability. To do this, when you are ready to begin the aiming process, you begin counting the seconds: 21, 22, 23, 24..., stopping when the sight picture is acceptable to you. Note down the number of seconds and repeat the process. As you train you will see that your position and sight picture begin to stabilise after the same number of seconds or almost so. The stable picture and position remain stable for a few seconds. This will be your window of opportunity. Next, you start working on your trigger release, dry firing, so that release occurs no earlier and no later than the number of seconds it takes you to achieve stability, etc. Finally, you combine the two techniques in live firing. Richard J. Danik ******************************************************************** Subject: Savage Arm's Model 900TR "Target" Has anyone had any experience with this rifle? I'm a junior competitor looking for a good accurate rifle for summer competitions. I was wondering if any gunsmiths here knew if I could put an adjustable butt-stock on it? And also, will Anschutz accessories fit on it? Ex.: Handstops, Sights, etc.. Thanks Alot, Adam Brzycki ******************************************************************** Kansas State Rifle Association is sponsoring an Intermediate/Advanced Junior Olympic Rifle Camp August 6th - 12th at St. John's Military School in Salina Kansas. A full five days of shooting is planned, the camp will conclude with a 40 rd. International Air Rifle match Thursday evening and a 120 rd. NRA 3-P Smallbore match on Friday. The facility is all air conditioned as is the 50 foot indoor range. Coaching staff will have USAS/NRA Advanced International Rifle Coaches and members of the USAS/NRA National Coach Development Staff. Camp fees are $175.00, this includes meals and lodging at St. John's. For an application or for more information contact: Ralph Goodwin goodwin@cottagesoft.com ******************************************************************** Thanks for the comments I received regarding my kneeling position. As you can see from the Nationals results I had mixed results. Both practice days I felt alright for the most part and shot 380. On the first day, I started out about average but it never quite felt right and got worse as I went. Being the stubborn fool I am, I didn't get out of position or change settings so I was adding in tension. Ended up with 94 95 90 92. Thus the second day I decided I would do whatever necessary to make it feel right so I changed my butt during sighters and didn't need anything else after that (aside from clear eyesight and mind <g>). I finished with 95 95 95 100 (one of only 3 on day 2 to have 100 in K) and my second 95 had a 7 from me jerking as I pulled. So what did I do you ask? Moved my stop back toward me 1cm, tightened sling up a few notches, and put my foot as close to the middle of my butt as I could get it. Then after first day I moved the buttplate up about 1cm (the problem from day before was I seemed to be low). I still have a wobble, which I feel is pulse related since it's quick and rhythmic, but it is a bit smaller and more consistent so I can time it fairly well. I watched everyone else as time allowed as well and my position seems to be right in line with everyone else aside from my sling being down low. The exception to that was Bob Foth who has an extremely upright position. I agree I would prefer to have the sling up high but that will not happen until I modify my jacket which doesn't seem to fit very well. The same problem holds for prone. A note about the one comment above regarding having the foot flat on the ground. That probably would work well if you can make it into that position. I actually used that position when I first started but I screwed up my knees the same year and couldn't handle it anymore. My other problem with it is my torso is so short that I have to stick my foot way out to bring the knee down far enough to get on target and to balance me from falling over backwards. ******************************************************************** End of UIT Mailing List #24 Michael Ray - Systems Engineer Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. Rifle Coach UIT Shooting Page - http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/1190/index.htm --=====================_109459624==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> Please e-mail address changes, unsubscribe requests, or submissions to me.<br> <br> In this issue:<br> <br> Sydney weather<br> Re: Federal ammo<br> Re: Which air rifle to buy / kneeling help<br> Re: Need kneeling help<br> Re: Need kneeling help<br> How to clean clothes?<br> Re: Need position help<br> Opinions on Savage Arm's 900TR rifle<br> Junior Olympic rifle camp (KS, USA)<br> Re: kneeling help<br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> Hi! Michael. <br> I have been passive for a long time here. Being influenced by <br> impressions of participant of the last Autumn shooting on Sydney Olympic <br> ranges, that cold and wind may be critical for participants of the Games <br> coming from the Northern Hemisphere I've prepared active whether report <br> for some important shooting ranges:<br> <font color=3D"#0000FF"><u><a href=3D"http://www.stegny.com/sydney2000"= eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.stegny.com/sydney2000<br> </a></u></font>I have included there mirror list of quota places taken from ISSF site, <br> but my list loads few times quicker. I would be happy if you and/or=20 <br> somebody from your mailing list would exchange the links with this site.<br> Greeting for the Editor, his family and all fellow shooters :) <br> Wiktor Kobylinski<br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> Michael, regarding ammo velocity, wind drift and barrel vibration tuners, I shoot American Rimfire Association rimfire benchrest along with indoor/ outdoor 3P and prone. The benchrest game has some differences as the physical requirements aren't as great, but the guns accuracy and reading the wind is more critical for the average shooter. <br> <br> Wind drift. See my web site for a description of why slower subsonic ammo drifts less in the wind. <a href=3D"http://www.feist.com/~benchrest/Rimfire_notes.html"= eudora=3D"autourl"><font color=3D"#0000FF"><u>http://www.feist.com/~benchre= st/Rimfire_notes.html</a></u></font> Item number 5 at the bottom of the page. Most of the current ammo's used in= rimfire benchrest have typical velocities of 1080 fps. This includes= Federal Ultramatch UM1B (or 1000B), Federal Match 900B, Lapua Midas L and= M, Lapua Multimatch, Eley 10X and Eley Match Extra Plus. This is subsonic= but is still not best for lowest wind drift. 900 to 950 fps is best for= least wind drift. Unfortunately none of the manufactures have been able to= develop an accurate round at these velocities so the 1080 range is a= compromise of accuracy vs wind drift. <br> Lapua has came out with a new round between Lapua Mildas L and Multimatch.= It is called Multimatch Ultra. It is what was the best of Multimatch. So in= effect they have increased the price of the best of Multimatch. Here is a= reply I received from Lapua: <br> Rich,<br> The Multimatch Ultra is a new round that fits in between the Multimatch and= Midas L. The basic difference is in their accuracy capability: <br> Midas L average 10 shot group at 50 meters < 12.7 mm (.500 inches)<br> Multimatch Ultra average 10 shot group at 50 meters < 14 mm (0.551= inches)<br> Multimatch average 10 shot group at 50 meters < 17 mm (0.669 inches)<br> <br> Tuners: I use three tuners. Two Time Precision tuners on Time Precision= benchrest rifles with Shilen barrels, Jewell triggers and McMillan stocks.= The third is a Time Precision Tuner/ bloop (10 inch) tube installed on my= BSA Martini MKIII. <br> As far as benchrest goes, 99% of shooters use tuners. I can't recall anyone= winning a match in the last few years without a tuner. On my two Times the= tuners reduce my groups (5 shot @ 50 yds) from mid 2's to high 1's. This= level of accuracy is required to win at rimfire benchrest. Scores that= would win matches 4 or 5 years ago are also rans today. One increment of a= tuner moves the weight approx. .001 of an inch. Most guns are sensitive to= that much movement. One of my guns shoots best at a 1/2 increment= adjustment! <br> For my Martini I bought the tuner with the primary purpose of increasing the= sight radius for my old eyes. Getting the front sight out further I thought= would help. Not so for me. Shooting glasses have helped the most but still= not perfect. But as an aside, I find the Martini with Lapua Multimatch= shoots about .33 without the tuner and about .3 with it. I have not tried= anyother ammo's as this is plenty good for my skill level. I have tried= shooting with the tuner both prone and 3P. It does not work well for 3P as= the balance is way off. So I am using it for Prone matches only. It has a= clamp on the barrel that stays permanently attached with a key that allows= the tuner to be reinstalled in exactly the same position. <br> Ammo: This season, Lapua Midas L, Eley 10X and Federal Ultramatch UM1B are= most popular, followed by Multimatch, 900B and Match Extra Plus. Most stay= away from Federal because it leads to much. Some cannot shoot an entire= match without accuracy starting to fade due to lead build up. A match= consist of 1/2 dozen fouling shots, 5 - 10 sighters and 25 record shots.= Those that are able to use Federal find they must clean with something such= as Shooters Choice Lead Remover and spend more time cleaning than those= than use Lapua or Eley. Eley is coming on strong this year. It was the ammo= of choice for benchrest in the early 90's until about 1996 when it lost= favor to Lapua. But Eley has upgraded their equipment. Go to my web site= for article #44 and #45 on reading Eley lot numbers. Also #67 gives some= results of testing some of the new Eley. Lapua has a love hate relation= ship with benchresters. Many say they will never use it again because Lapua= acts as though they don't care about shooters. Midas L has been extremely= hard to get and when asked Lapua or there American importer seem to blame= one another. I personally have used Lapua Midas L since 1996 and find it= extremely accurate. This year I have set Missouri and Kansas records with= it and Shot the best scores of the season in Texas. It really works and I'm= lucky to have a number of cases. My guns almost seem to ignore the wind(G).= <br> Rich <br> <br> [Editor - for those of you who haven't visited it, I will say Rich's rimfire= page has lots of nice tidbits and advice. You should check it out. The= music gets kind of annoying though. 8^) ]<br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> << [Editor - IMHO, accuracy-wise it makes no difference so it comes= down to <br> which ever one fits you best and has a trigger you like. I'm surprised the= <br> P70 only goes for 100 shots. Perhaps the junior model you're using comes= <br> with a smaller cylinder also? I thought all the brands were using 200bar= <br> cylinders.] >><br> <br> The P70 Jr. really has the same 200 bar level in it, but from what I can see= <br> it uses more air per shot than the anschuetz (but I'm rather inexperienced).= <br> But it is too small and shot wise anything over 120 shots per cylinder is= <br> good for me. Thank you for posting my message on your news letter. <br> Many Thanks <br> Ross Miller<br> <br> Ps: about your kneeling position I have two pieces of advice. <br> First try "getting more into the position," what I mean by that is= move the <br> hand stop out an inch or two and then do what you have too to get in <br> relatively your position <br> Second, also try moving your right arm farther out on your knee and/or try= <br> increasing your left leg-knee degree. Other than that I don't know what to= <br> say but Good Luck! <br> <br> [Editor - I think any of the major makers will be essentially equal in all= regards. If you get the AL stocks that are popular now, fit probably= doesn't play anywhere nearly the role as it once did since they are now so= adjustable. If you stay with wood, you should try a sample of each to see= which don't fit well. Then it just comes down to which one you can get the= best deal on as there can be a $500 range.]<br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> Re: Kneeling position, <br> When instructing (in the Army) the basic "kneeling position" was= taught as you basically have it now, but with one slight modification and= that was the "trailing foot" was not squatted on but turned= sideways and parallel to the ground and then you sat on it. <br> This removed excess/undue pressure from the foot/toes which is the main= cause of problems incurred in your marksmanship ability and also makes the= use of a "cushion" redundant.<br> The reason for this was to give you a "stable firing platform"= which all but eliminates any movement (the wobbles, pulse, etc). This may= seem uncomfortable to start with, but practice and slight adjustments in= the leg position to facilitate your own comfort will be beneficial over= time.<br> Stephen Manning <br> Communications <br> Eastern Region<br> <br> ****************************************************************** <br> <br> When it come to kneeling position - I judge myself EXPERT ;-), therefore I= <br> give the following analysis of the position on the picture:<br> The fundament of the position is too small. The left knee (links shooter)= <br> should be moved outwards to create a 60-70 degrees angle with the right leg= <br> seen from above. Spine should sit in a relaxed and natural position (more= <br> straight up than the picture) and right elbow placed on the right knee <br> NATURALLY, without leaning forwards.<br> Then, one starts with the handstop and the hook taken off, so that one does= <br> not restrict the position in any way by applying the rifle. Distance from= <br> handstop to buttplate should be exactly long enough to make the buttplate= <br> fit into the shoulder without having to push the shoulder forward. The <br> picture shows a position where the shooter has placed the handstop 2-3 <br> inches to far back on the stock, resulting in spine and shoulder leaned <br> forward - which in turn leads to an unstable position.<br> The right leg should be placed at 80 degrees angle to the rifle rather than= at 45 degrees. 80 degrees angle with the right leg, 20 degrees with the= left leg - and we have a triangle where every angle is 60 degrees - the= most stable triangle you can make!<br> The narrow position will not be very stable sideways, because of the small= and narrow area of support. A person with long legs would have both the= right knee and the left foot rather far forward in the position, and the= sideways support for the rear part of the position would be zero!<br> Magnus<br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> Dear Michael, <br> I have a question: how to clean the shooting clothing <br> without altering its stiffness? This seems a very <br> difficult matter, since not even the manufaturer has a <br> definitive instruction. <br> <br> As for kneeling, perhaps you should try a higher position of your sling <br> in kneeling and pay attention to your left foot. I <br> noticed in the puctures that it is slightly angled <br> backwards and not firmly anchored to ground. Just some <br> suggestions! <br> <br> Guido Lastra <br> Bogota<br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> Guido Lastra's inability to coordinate optimum sight picture with trigger= release must be familiar to all positional shooters. When I was shooting on= the Moscow State University team many moons ago, my coach taught me the= following trick. <br> First, you have to determine how long it takes you to achieve stability. To= do this, when you are ready to begin the aiming process, you begin counting= the seconds: 21, 22, 23, 24..., stopping when the sight picture is= acceptable to you. Note down the number of seconds and repeat the process.= As you train you will see that your position and sight picture begin to= stabilise after the same number of seconds or almost so. The stable picture= and position remain stable for a few seconds. This will be your window of= opportunity. <br> Next, you start working on your trigger release, dry firing, so that release= occurs no earlier and no later than the number of seconds it takes you to= achieve stability, etc. <br> Finally, you combine the two techniques in live firing. <br> Richard J. Danik <br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> Subject: Savage Arm's Model 900TR "Target" <br> <br> Has anyone had any experience with this rifle? I'm a junior competitor= looking for a good accurate rifle for summer competitions. I was wondering= if any gunsmiths here knew if I could put an adjustable butt-stock on it?= And also, will Anschutz accessories fit on it? Ex.: Handstops, Sights,= etc.. <br> Thanks Alot, <br> Adam Brzycki <br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> Kansas State Rifle Association is sponsoring an Intermediate/Advanced Junior= Olympic Rifle Camp August 6th - 12th at St. John's Military School in= Salina Kansas. <br> A full five days of shooting is planned, the camp will conclude with a 40= rd. International Air Rifle match Thursday evening and a 120 rd. NRA 3-P= Smallbore match on Friday. <br> The facility is all air conditioned as is the 50 foot indoor range. Coaching= staff will have USAS/NRA Advanced International Rifle Coaches and members= of the USAS/NRA National Coach Development Staff. <br> Camp fees are $175.00, this includes meals and lodging at St. John's. <br> For an application or for more information contact: <br> Ralph Goodwin <br> <font color=3D"#0000FF"><u>goodwin@cottagesoft.com</u></font> <br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> <br> Thanks for the comments I received regarding my kneeling position. As you= can see from the Nationals results I had mixed results. Both practice days= I felt alright for the most part and shot 380. On the first day, I started= out about average but it never quite felt right and got worse as I went.= Being the stubborn fool I am, I didn't get out of position or change= settings so I was adding in tension. Ended up with 94 95 90 92. Thus the= second day I decided I would do whatever necessary to make it feel right so= I changed my butt during sighters and didn't need anything else after that= (aside from clear eyesight and mind <g>). I finished with 95 95 95= 100 (one of only 3 on day 2 to have 100 in K) and my second 95 had a 7 from= me jerking as I pulled.<br> So what did I do you ask? Moved my stop back toward me 1cm, tightened sling= up a few notches, and put my foot as close to the middle of my butt as I= could get it. Then after first day I moved the buttplate up about 1cm (the= problem from day before was I seemed to be low).<br> I still have a wobble, which I feel is pulse related since it's quick and= rhythmic, but it is a bit smaller and more consistent so I can time it= fairly well. I watched everyone else as time allowed as well and my= position seems to be right in line with everyone else aside from my sling= being down low. The exception to that was Bob Foth who has an extremely= upright position.<br> I agree I would prefer to have the sling up high but that will not happen= until I modify my jacket which doesn't seem to fit very well. The same= problem holds for prone.<br> A note about the one comment above regarding having the foot flat on the= ground. That probably would work well if you can make it into that= position. I actually used that position when I first started but I screwed= up my knees the same year and couldn't handle it anymore. My other problem= with it is my torso is so short that I have to stick my foot way out to= bring the knee down far enough to get on target and to balance me from= falling over backwards.<br> <br> ********************************************************************<br> End of UIT Mailing List #24<br> <br> <div>Michael Ray - Systems Engineer</div> <div>Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. 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