From dennehym@cs.tcd.ie Sat Apr 22 00:25:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (really [127.0.0.1]) by clubi.ie via in.smtpd with esmtp (ident dennehym using rfc1413) id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:25:16 +0100 (IST) Received: from mail.clubi.ie by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.2.1) for dennehym@localhost (single-drop); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:25:16 +0100 (IST) Received: [from relay.cs.tcd.ie (relay.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.32.56]) by iridium.medianet.ie (DIESPAM) with ESMTP id e3LNOj127973 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:24:45 +0100] Received: from sparks.cs.tcd.ie (root@pc315.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.35.74]) by relay.cs.tcd.ie (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA03679 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:24:41 +0100 (BST) Received: by cs.tcd.ie via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for mdennehy@clubi.ie; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:24:41 +0100 (IST) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:24:41 +0100 From: Mark Dennehy To: mdennehy@clubi.ie Subject: [fwd : topshot@indy.net; UIT Mailing List Vol. 4 - #18] Message-ID: <20000422002441.A5237@cs.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Organization: Computer Vision and Robotics Research Group, Computer Science Dept., Trinity College Dublin Content-Length: 13498 Lines: 292 ----- Forwarded message from Michael Ray ----- > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 > Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:37:45 -0500 > To: topshot@indy.net > From: Michael Ray > Subject: UIT Mailing List Vol. 4 - #18 > > Please e-mail address changes, unsubscribe requests, or submissions to me. > > In this issue: > > Getting started? > Re: Opinions on Weihrauch HW660 rifle > Re: Need kneeling help > Sydney WC results > Sydney WC pics > Shooting boots > World Shooting Federation site > Slovak Rapid Fire Match > > ******************************************************************** > > I'm interested in getting started in 10 meter air rifle competition. > Although I'm not new to competitive shooting I am new to this particular > discipline.Could anyone recommend a good "how to get started" manual and > does anyone know of a club hopefully in Western N.Y. that holds matches? > Any information would be a great help. Thank You. > Chuck DiSalvo > > [Editor - in the Events section of my page, I have a link to another page > on some ideas on how to get started in ISSF style rifle.] > > ******************************************************************** > > When I became interested in starting position smallbore rifle shooting I > didn't have a lot of money to spend for a sutiable rifle. I saw an ad for a > HW660 and made some inquiries, found an FFL and ordered one. I have owned it > for about five years now and have been very impressed with the accuracy and > functionality of the rifle. It costs around $700 US and comes with Anschutz > sights ($180 by themselves), an adjutable buttplate and cheepiece, adjustable > trigger and a full accessory rail. The rifle appears to be a clone of the > Anschutz 54 for the most part and will accept all Anschutz accessories. I > have added an Anschutz butthook, handstop, bipod and plastic front sight > disks. The barrel, I understand is made by Walther and has held up very > well. I > have fired thousands of round through mine with no problems except for a > broken firing pin. The firing pin in this rifle is an exceptionally weak > design and, as you pointed out, must be handled with care during dry firing. > Everyone I know who has had a HW660 for a while has experienced this problem. > However, replacement firing pins are easy to get from EEA. I also experienced > a problem with the rear action screw sinking into the wood resulting in the > screw threads protruding into the bolt area and impinging on the bolt. The > best solution to this is to pillar bed the action which I have not done yet. > I solved my problem by using washers on the action screw. I have, however, > glass bedded the action which seems to have improved the consistency a lot in > outdoor shooting. I have fired the rifle in many indoor and outdoor matches > and I still can't outshoot it (this may be due to my lack of skill, too). > Until I get a lot better or wear out the rifle I can't justify replacing it > yet. I know one young man who used a HW660 for two years in college > competition with great success until his firing pin broke (he hadn't been > using an empty shell casing, or anything during dry firing), whereupon he was > issued a new Anschutz as a replacement. Whether the Anschutz is a lot better > rifle or he is now used to it and doesn't want to switch back in the middle > of the season, I don't know. He's still shooting the Anschutz. Maybe if I had > the opportunity to fire an Anschutz myself I would feel the same way. But, > until that opportunity arises, I'll keep shooting the good old Weihrauch! > Larry Richardson > > ******************************************************************** > > I would like to thank German Salazar for his valuable > help on this list. Nextly, thank you Michael for your > suggestions about kneeling position, I think it is > getting more stable each time.Not changing this topic, > Is there any method for positioning, in kneeling, the > height of the butt plate? I am using it somewhere > between what I use in prone and standing, but I do not > know if this is correct, and I guess it also affects > the whole position. Please help me with this matter, > and again congratulations for your page. > Guido Lastra > Bogota, Colombia > > [Editor - most people have the buttplate somewhere near the "neutral" > position when kneeling, but it really depends upon your body configuration. > It's a good starting point though.] > > ******************************************************************** > > Results of the World Cup/Test Event in Sydney, Australia March 24-31, > 2000 by Don Williams, Oregon: > > Women's Air Rifle: Gold-Zhao, China, 398 + 103.7 = 501.7 > Silver-Pfielshifter, Germany, 397 + 104.0 = 501.0 > Bronze-Pahrebniak, Belarus, 398 + 102.4 = 500.4 > > Men's Air Pistol: Gold-Tan, China, 585 + 100.8 = 685.8 > Silver-Kokorev, Russia, 583 + 102.2 = 685.2 > Bronze-Gontcharov, Russia, 583 + 101.9 = 684.9 > > Women's Air Pistol: Gold-Snyder, USA, 386 + 101.1 = 487.1 > Silver-Cao, China, 383 + 102.9 = 485.9 > Bronze-Chaika, Belarus, 385 + 99.8 = 484.8 > > Men's Trap: Gold-Peel, Gt. Britain, 118 + 24 = 142 > Silver-Leary, Canada, 118 + 23 = 141 > Bronze-Alipov, Russia, 119 + 22 = 141 > > Men's Air Rifle: Gold-Aleinikov, Russia, 594 + 104.2 = 698.2 > Silver-Rolland, Norway, 595 + 102.6 = 697.6 > Bronze-Boschman, Netherlands, 595 + 101.6 = 696.6 > > Women's Trap: Gold-Racinet, France, 71 + 24 = 95 - Finals World Record > Silver-Nattrass, Canada, 71 + 19 = 90 > Bronze-Wakefield, Australia, 67 + 22 = 89 > > Men's 50-M Pistol: Gold-Tan, China, 573 + 95.8 = 668.8 > Silver-Nestrouev, Russia, 565 + 99.5 = 664.5 > Bronze-Pietrzak, Poland, 571 + 92.9 = 663.9 > > Women's Double Trap: Gold-Nakayama, Japan, 106 + 38 = 144 > Silver-Hansen, Sweden, 104 + 38 = 142 > Bronze-Zhang, China, 107 + 35 = 142 > > Women's 3-Pos: Gold-Goldobina, Russia, 587 > Silver-Peilschifter, Germany, 586 > Bronze-Shan, China, 586 > (Sorry, but I did not get their final scores. These were their placings, > though) > > Men's Double Trap: Gold-Mark, Austria, 144 + 46 = 190 > Silver-Gerebics, Hungary, 143 + 43 = 186 > Bronze-Pinero, Spain, 142 + 41 = 183 > > Women's Skeet: Gold-Smotek, USA, 72 + 24 = 96 > Silver-Zhang, China, 71 + 24 = 95 > Bronze-Stranovska, Slovakia, 72 + 22 = 94 > > Men's Prone: Gold-Goenci, Slovakia, 599 + 102.9 = 701.9 (9.8) > Silver-Kovalenko, Russia, 598 + 103.9 = 701.9 (9.6) > Bronze-Martineau, Belarus, 598 + 102.9 = 700.9 > (When it came to the sudden death tie breaker, and Goenci shot a 9.8, > everyone groaned because they knew he had blown the Gold. But, Kovalenko > then shot a 9.6 to snatch defeat from the hands of victory. Another large > groan from the audience. Exciting final!!) > > Men's Rapid Fire: Gold-Schumann, Germany, 591 + 101.5 = 692.5 > Silver-Alifirenko, Russia, 590 + 101.0 = 691.0 > Bronze-Leonhard, Germany, 589 + 101.1 = 690.1 > > Men's 3-Pos.Rifle: Gold-Farnik, Austria, 1174 + 97.3 = 1271.3 > Silver-Pletikosic, Yugoslavia, 1171 + 95.8 = 1266.8 > Bronze-Bauer, Germany, 1170 + 96.0 = 1266.0 > > Men's 10-M.R.T.: Gold-Kurzer, Germany, 585 + 95.6 = 680.6 > Silver-Lykin, Russia, 583 + 97.0 = 680.0 > Bronze-Zinenko, Ukraine, 581 + 97.5 = 678.5 > > Women's 25M Pistol: Gold-Tao, China, 587 + 103.4 = 690.4 > Silver-Macur, Poland, 588 + 97.7 = 685.7 > Bronze-Salukvadze, Georgia, 585+100.0 = 685.0 > > Men's Skeet: Gold-Durbesson, France, 125 + 25 = 150 Equal World Final Record. > Silver-Zhang, China, 124 + 24 = 148 > Bronze, Harvey, Great Britain, 123 + 24 = 147 > > Overall, this was a good competition, but if SOCOG does not get the > transportation problems solved, it will be a king sized mess. Sydney is > one of the most confusing cities that I have ever been in to get around. > The ranges are fine and with some minor changes, should be easily ready > for the Games in September and the Parylympics in October. > Don Williams, Oregon > > ******************************************************************** > > I wish to invite you to see some pictures i took at Sydney's World Cup. > The page is in portuguese but you you will easely find the link to the > photos on the initial page. > The Word cup was great! > The Men's prone was decided in a shot-off by two tenths (9.8 / 9.6) > On the very first final competition shot, there was a malfunction on > Gonci's Sius Target, so the referee did him shot alone before the finalists > shot the second shot all toghether. Gonci shot a 10.2 and during the final > other malfunction happened on same target! Besides this problems, there was > two ties for the first and fifth places. Gonci won the match. > The Old Legend Harald Stenvaag figured in all tree finals!!! > The Air rifle winner Eugeni Aleinikov RUS, started fourth in the final with > the score of 595 who he made with 96 on last serie. > Sorry for the poor english and go see the photos!!!(please report your visit > on my "Formulario On-line" at the top of my home page. > Fabio Coelho > www.geocities.com/colosseum/arena/7456 > > ******************************************************************** > > Well, on to another question, shooting Boots. Is there a difference in > some boots that make them better than others? right now all I can see is the > price, which for some boots is astounding. > Many Thanks > Ross Miller > > [Editor - here's a response Ross already got] > Ross, > I'm sure there are subtle differences which shooters on the very top > of the performance curve could easily point out, but for most intermediate > to advanced shooters, fit and proper wear/storage are the most important > factors in obtaining best support from a pair of shooting shoes. I > purchased used shoes (that fit), but needed repair (which I did with shoe > goo). Then I purchased a set of storage clamps (these cost more than the > shoes at about $30. My kneeling improved dramatically. They are also very > useful in offhand (helping the foot to engage/stay in full contact with the > ground) and somewhat useful in prone if you have a 'floppy foot disorder' > (e.g. with its flat toe it can keep a vertical foot still). I'd have to > vote that price is not always the prime consideration. > Floyd Houston > > [Editor - and here is a another response already given.] > Ross- > In response to your question to the group, Floyd's answer is right on > track. Also, some boots are made of stiffer material than others > (Sauer/Kustermann/Kurt Thune are good), but most of them are functionally > equivalent. The most important factor is that you do not order boots that > are extremely tight fitting- especially in the toes. You need to be able to > feel your toes move; this provides a way to continually check your balance, > especially in standing. If you wear a size 10, you might ask the dealer to > send you two sizes- a 10 and a 10-1/2, with the understanding that you be > returning one pair. Better still, visit the dealer personally and try 'em > on. I did this in 1996 with Mr. Sauer in Atlanta and must have tried on > three pairs before finding a pair that felt acceptable. Realistically, this > is a trial and error process- reputable dealers should be able to help you > out. I recommend CenterShot sports (www.centershot.com), Marcus Raab- who > sells Kustermann stuff. Tell him I recommended you..he's a dealer with fair > prices who is concerned about meeting the shooter's needs (not just making > a buck). > Good shooting to all! > Bill Terry > > ******************************************************************** > > The World Shooting Federation Web Site is up and > running! Check it out, give us your feedback, and make > sure to read the comments from other shooters around > the world. > http://worldshootingfederation.org > > Help us promote the World Shooting Games and the safe, > responsible, recreational use of firearms. > In addition to helping us take sport shooting to the > mainstream media, we'll send you a year's subscription > to GunGames Magazine, a gold WSF lapel pin, and a > membership card which will entitle you to other benefits > and specials. You can sign up on-line! > > Get involved! And get your friends involved too. Forward > this email to at least 5 friends or to you mail list. Talk to > your club executive and club members. "Together we will > show the world." Let us know what we can do for you! > > Keep the faith.. and good shooting, > Nick Alexakos > World Shooting Federation > http://www.worldshootingfederation.org > World Shooting Games are Coming! > > ******************************************************************** > > Dear sport friends > I would like to inform you that Slovak shooting federation organizes an > intenational rapid fire pistol competition. This will held in east > Slovakia, town Spisska Nova Ves, on July 7th-10th, 2000. More info about > this competion you can get on http://www.strelnica.sk or by mail on > mlynarcik@pobox.sk > Best regard > Peter Mlynarcik > > ******************************************************************** > End of UIT Mailing List #18 > > Michael Ray - Systems Engineer > Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. Rifle Coach > UIT Shooting Page - http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/1190/index.htm > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Mark Dennehy, Email : Mark.Dennehy@cs.tcd.ie Research Student, Computer Vision and Robotics Research Group, Computer Science Dept., Trinity College Dublin