From topshot@indy.net Sat Feb 12 16:03:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (really [127.0.0.1]) by cs.tcd.ie via in.smtpd with esmtp (ident dennehym using rfc1413) id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:03:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.tcd.ie by fetchmail-4.6.4 POP3 for (single-drop); Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:03:26 GMT Received: from pop2.indy.net (pop2.indy.net [199.3.65.112]) by relay.cs.tcd.ie (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00867 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:03:04 GMT Received: from ray_pc (ip209-183-88-86.ts.indy.net [209.183.88.86]) by pop2.indy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03697; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:30:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000212103751.00a3a960@pop.indy.net> X-Sender: topshot@pop.indy.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:37:51 -0500 To: topshot@indy.net From: Michael Ray Subject: UIT Mailing List Vol. 4 - #14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO Content-Length: 15287 Lines: 377 Please e-mail address changes, unsubscribe requests, or submissions to me. In this issue: Re: air rifle stock breakage Re: air rifle stock breakage Re: air rifle stock breakage Re: air rifle stock breakage Re: Changing 2000 series barrels Looking for used junior rifle jackets Re: Walther AL stock BRNO Tau 200 Hammerli air rifle opinions Any info on Zoran Simonov from early 70's??? Stuff For Sale Input needed World Shooting Federation ******************************************************************** Bill Kelley stated that the AMU uses a "kevlar/graphite" rod to reinforce our airguns. Wrong. Every laminated stock known to man breaks. The Airlines will destroy each and every one. Here at the AMU, we use whatever is available to fix them if possible. Everything from wood rods, aluminum, screws, etc. There is no set standard. Yes, FWB stocks break. I just repaired James Nash's before he trashed it for a ALU stock. The biggist concern w/ lam stocks -- those crazy europeans don't alternate the grain between sheets in the laminate. So instead of being very strong like plywood for instance ----- they're just as strong as a brittle piece of lumber.... Every cast KK stock I've seen has broke the rail at some point. Whether Anschutz or Walther. S&N, FWB, etc that are machined are still running good. Thanks. Justin. [Editor - I don't think Bill meant they did that on every air rifle - just that particular one. FWB does alternate the grain on their laminate, which may be why we are hearing far fewer reports of them breaking. Jayme Dickman had 2 2002s break while travelling. She has since started to travel with the barrel/action separate from the stock and has not had any trouble in 2 years. In the same conversation, I was told that a new Anschutz AL 2213 stock broke back by the pistol grip where it's pretty thin while the shooter was in prone.] ******************************************************************** Take a look at an Anschutz laminated stock and compare it to a FWB 600 series laminated stock. On the Anschutz you will see that the wood grains of each piece are in the same direction. On the FWB the grains of each piece alternate direction. That is why Anschutz stocks crack and FWB stocks generally don't. DD ******************************************************************** Michael ~ Yes, I have a shooter that had his 2002 Anschutz stock break after flying and he even took extra precautions to safeguard the rifle when flying by using a Pelican case. This was the first stock of any kind that I heard of breaking when flying in a Pelican rifle case, that I have heard..... The next question is what type of cases did the others use? Pelican or some other type of a case? If so does it have anything to do with the "air pressure screw" on the side of the case. Did they use it properly when flying? We believe that my shooter had left it open. If they did fly with the screw open, yes, the stock will break over time, it is called "fatigued." They put that screw on the side of the case for a reason people, please use it! RKW ******************************************************************** You have had comments re Steyr and Anschutz stocks breaking during travel My daughter has had her FWB P70 stock broken twice in past year. First time was on way home from Atlanta then second time was on the way to Atlanta World Cup last year. - Stock was in two pieces at top of pistol grip ( wood laminated stock ). Luckily there were some nice gentlemen there from US team who had it pinned and epoxied within 24 hours to help her out Gun case is a pelican - no external damage to case - gun is a good tight fit in case. Mo Johnson Team BC Canada [Editor - did she close the pressure screw as RKW indicated above?] ******************************************************************** List Members, Be aware that design of the Anschutz 20 series rifle is not so that shooters can switch barrels or alter headspacing, owners will note that the bolts retaining the barrel are sealed, once you remove the seal your JGA warranty is void. Anschutz do not consider the changing & headspacing of barrels to be a job for anyone but the factory gunsmiths. They will not even supply a replacement bolt if a shooter should be so foolish as to lose one, you have to return the barreled action to the factory and they will fit and headspace a replacement bolt and return it. It might be for liability reasons but I have a letter on file from Anschutz which categorically states that owners should not interfere with the fitting of their barrels to the 20 series rifles. FWIW Graeme Forbes Anschutz Dealer Melbourne Australia ******************************************************************** Gentleman: The high school rifle team that I coach has gotten a grant to begin replacing its shooting jackets - old 10X or similar leather. I would like to go ISU and the most economical are the "club" or "beginner" canvas jackets offered by several US suppliers and by Gehmann. I am particularly concerned about durability since they will be used by our shooters 5 days a week for most of the school year. I am also wondering whether anyone has been using the ISU cordura jackets made by Creedmmor or Hawkeye. Please let me have your comments. Mike Barron [Editor - Hawkeye is no longer around. I know Freeland's is making canvas clothes now, but am unaware of any other US supplier. My choice would be the Gehmann (from Champion's Choice) or Anschutz (from Neal Johnson's) models. They would run in the $150 range.] ******************************************************************** I have two of the earliest Walther KK200 rifles shipped to the USA. Broken stocks were not a problem. I did add the new accessory forearm last summer as it fit my left hand better. Those 90 degree edges on the origignal forearm were causing nerve paralysis. Richard [Editor - it has been reported that the original versions were milled rather than cast.] ******************************************************************** Dear sir congratulations for your mailing list. Could you inform me about the TAU 200 Bruenner CO2 Match Air Rifle ? Could it be considered a "target air rifle" about accuracy and performance ? What are the problems using CO2 ? Best regards Miguel Neiva Portugal [Editor - AFAIK, they are really meant for juniors as they would be rather small for adults. Accuracy should be good. I would guess they are a step up from a Daisy 753/853 and somewhere close to the El Gamo (Daisy) 126. The only problems with CO2 are sensitivity to temperature and humidity. I know these were brought up some time ago so you may search through Vol 1 and 2 in the archives.] ******************************************************************** Does anyone have experience with the Hammerli compressed air rifle? All comments appreciated. Ralph Goodwin [Editor - they at least used to be ambidextrous so it may be nice for a junior club. One would expect accuracy to be on par with the top brands. They just aren't marketed worth a darn in the US at least. I have seen only 1 being used in competition and that was in 1995.] ******************************************************************** I am looking to find information a a shooter from Yugoslavia. I believe he shot around 1960-70's. His name is Zoran Simonov. I believe he won a championship in the Netherlands in 1973. Please tell me of any information you may have on him or suggest to me where I can find some. Thank you. ******************************************************************** It's now February and time to start thinking about this month's edition of "Stuff for Sale." Most of you know the drill: if you have anything to list, please send me all the pertinent particulars: make, model, color, size, condition, accessories, cost, name, rank, serial number, phone. If you have anything on the list that needs to come off, please let me know that too. Otherwise your phone will continue to ring off the hook, for naught. Try to get your input to me by February 21st. Input will be consolidated and the next edition published soon thereafter. Many thanks! John Crossman Steilacoom, Washington jcrossman@thurston.com ******************************************************************** The World Shooting Federation: CREATING UNITY IN DIVERSITY 2000 AD is here. The new millennium brings with it excitement, anxiety, and hope for the shooting sports. During the last 200 years shooting has been one of the world's favorite recreational activities. As we enter the new millennium, millions of people continue to participate in different shooting activities worldwide using firearms of all shapes, forms, and sizes. Striving to achieve their personal best, they flock to the shooting ranges to test their skills, enjoy the camaraderie of friends, and to simply have a great time. We in the shooting family are united by our love for firearms and the mechanical and ballistic precision that allows us to push firearms to their physical limits of performance. We are also equally challenged by the precise physical coordination and mental discipline necessary to make our sporting equipment perform to the highest levels. Man and machine together, functioning cohesively as one. That is the exhilarating thrill that the shooting sports offer. Each type of firearm is different and each shooting sport is unique. This diversity adds color, excitement, and challenge to the shooting sports. It is also this diversity that has kept our shooting games from achieving their full growth potential. It is no secret, shooters are highly fragmented. Shotgun shooters will only play with shotguns and pistol shooters will only play with pistols. Sporting Clay shooters would rather not play Skeet, and Trap shooters would rather not touch rifles. And the list goes on. This mentality permeates all the way to the national organizations. Each shooting game today has it's own shooting organization but no single organization exists to gather all of these shooting sports under one umbrella. No one is looking after the collective interests of all the shooting sports today. Can you imagine all the states in the U.S.A. functioning individually without a federal government? Every state would continue to exist but the U.S.A. would not be the world superpower it is today. The fraternity of shooting sports is in desperate need of a unifying world body to watch over the common interests of all gun games worldwide. Enter the World Shooting Federation (WSF). Spearheaded by Nick Alexakos (President of IPSC) the WSF was founded to preserve, promote and expand sport shooting worldwide. This organization will function in a manner similar to the International Olympic committee (IOC). Every national and international shooting organization worldwide will be an associate-member of the WSF. Under the WSF umbrella, these organizations will continue to manage their own affairs without any intervention from the WSF. In addition, the WSF will also accept individual memberships worldwide (shooters, officials, instructors, etc.). The WORLD SHOOTING GAMES, to be held in 2002 will bring together top competitors from ALL major sport shooting fields in a week long, internationally publicized celebration of sport shooting. These are your games and the WSF would like your input in choosing which events will be featured. VOTE ON THE INTERNET http://www.worldshootingfederation.org We cannot underscore the importance of establishing this world body. The recreational use of firearms is under attack. England, in the aftermath of the Dunblane tragedy, is a case in point. The country had over 60 shooting sports organizations at the time of the Dunblane incident but they were overpowered by the anti-gun fever that swept the nation. Gun leaders in England have openly admitted that they were fragmented without a unifying organization to guide them so that they were unable to put up a concerted effort to counter the anti-gun movement. We all know the result. All pistols have been taken away from law-abiding British citizens. Even at the Olympics, we seem to see a shift in preference away from events that use gun-powder-propelled firearms to events that use only air-guns. When this happens, expect governments worldwide to declare that our gun games are not true sporting activities. After all, if it's not acceptable in the Olympics, why should it be acceptable as a legitimate recreational event? If this happens, we will certainly see the death of our firearms industry, especially the handgun industry, followed quickly by the demise of the shooting sports. The WSF will NOT be a political lobbying organization. It will, however, aim to reinforce the fact that sports shooting is a legitimate recreational activity responsibly supported by millions of law-abiding participants worldwide. The WSF will establish that the legitimate use of firearms is not restricted to just law enforcement and self-defense. The WSF will actively re-build the positive image of the shooting games and the people who play them. This mission is very similar to that of GunGames Magazine. It is for this reason that the WSF and GunGames Magazine have formed an alliance to work together towards their common goals. GunGames will be the voice of the WSF. The founding constitutional meeting of this new organization will take place in March 2000 at the IWA show in Nuremberg, Germany. At this meeting, the WSF should take flight as the single unifying organization for all the various shooting sports in the world. An immediate goal of the WSF is to organize and host the first WORLD SHOOTING GAMES in the Fall of 2002. The Games will be the Olympic games of the shooting sports. Sportsmen from all parts of the world will gather in one venue to compete in their individual shooting sports. Champions in each sport will be crowned and the international brotherhood among sports shooters will be highlighted. Register your support today at: http://www.worldshootingfederation.org It's time for the shooting sports to move away from the "good old boy" mentality that has dominated since the early days. It's time we took to the world stage. Sports and recreational shooting is the overwhelming reason people use firearms in the world. We must act now to halt this slide into oblivion. We must preserve and enhance the image of our gun games. These are exciting times. For once, our shooting sports fraternity has a common purpose and a vehicle that will allow us to prosper well into the new millennium. The World Shooting Federation and GunGames Magazine, working hand in hand, will lead the way. We can show the world! http://www.worldshootingfederation.org World Shooting Federation P.O. Box 805 Oakville, Ontario Canada L6J 5C5 tel: (905) 849-6960 fax: (905) 842-4323 email: info@worldshoot.org ******************************************************************** End of UIT Mailing List #14 Michael Ray - Systems Engineer Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. Rifle Coach UIT Shooting Page - http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/1190/index.htm