From topshot@indy.net Tue Feb 1 01:56:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (really [127.0.0.1]) by cs.tcd.ie via in.smtpd with esmtp (ident dennehym using rfc1413) id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 01:56:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.tcd.ie by fetchmail-4.6.4 POP3 for (single-drop); Tue, 01 Feb 2000 01:56:57 GMT Received: from pop1.indy.net (pop1.indy.net [199.3.65.111]) by relay.cs.tcd.ie (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA02409 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 01:56:45 GMT Received: from ray_pc (ip209-183-88-67.ts.indy.net [209.183.88.67]) by pop1.indy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA16966; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:00:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000131200204.00a353b0@pop.indy.net> X-Sender: topshot@pop.indy.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:02:04 -0500 To: topshot@indy.net From: Michael Ray Subject: UIT Mailing List Vol. 4 - #13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by relay.cs.tcd.ie id BAA02409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 16773 Lines: 370 Please e-mail address changes, unsubscribe requests, or submissions to me. In this issue: Re: Hammerli 280 replacement Re: Hammerli 280 replacement Re: Hammerli sights Steyr rifle stock breakage Re: 2002 stock breakage Re: 2002 stock breakage Re: 2002 stock breakage / Walther AL stock Re: Walther AL stock Re: airgun range plans Re: 30 degree prone rule Changing 2000 series barrels Looking for used junior rifle jackets Followup to wrist joint pain Re: Iris shifting POI New men's air rifle WR ******************************************************************** RE: Hammerli 280 replacement.... This web address has a lot of good discussion about NRA bullseye competition including pistols. bullseye-l-digest-request@lava.net Send a meesage to this address with the word "subscibe". Ralph Goodwin ******************************************************************** Indeed, the Hammerli 280 is discontinued and replaced by the Hammerli SP20. Both are available from www.larrysguns.com, the 280 being limited to what is in stock. Richard Ashmore ******************************************************************** To Richard Danik: I can echo the Hammerli rear sight. I have one of the new sights that came out a couple of years ago. I got one to evaluate and write a report on for them, and I have been using it ever since in my old Mod. 54 Anschutz with a highpower front sight with a level in it. I like the combo and will not change unless something better comes along. One reason that I wanted a better sight is that the one that was on my rifle moved me from one side of the 10-ring to the other with one click at 50-yards/meters, and I could not have that. The Hammerli is much finer in adjustments, and I also like the feature of being able to reset the indicator back to 0 without having the sights adjust at the same time. Just lift up the knob, turn it to 0 and let it fall back into place. Neat!! Don Williams, Oregon ******************************************************************** Hello Michael: I just wanted to comment on the stock breaking inquiry. USF has 6 Steyr match 91's. Four of the six have been broken at the pistol grip across the laminations during team travel. The rifles were packed in either double rifle aluminum cases or the Pelican travel vaults. I am almost sure that I have used up all of the stock reserves from Scott Pilkington replacing these broken stocks. In each case, the airlines did a thorough examination of the cases and found no or almost no damage to the rifle cases. However, I have a theory that the aluminum cases were "twisted" and returned back to shape. And in the torqueing process snapped the stocks at the pistol grips. As to the Pelican cases, my theory is that the rifle cases were dropped on end, causing the rifles to work against themselves and thereby snapping the pistol grips across their laminations. Just a note, Continental airlines broke another one of our stocks on our last trip (last week) and will not pay for repair or replacement of the stock. As of January 1st, there policy is that if the case doesn't show any signs of overt damage/abuse, then the contents should have been OK. The agent also went on to state that they were not in the business of transporting cargo, but people, and that clothes were the normal items considered baggage. Now as to a possible solution. We will be trying to ship our rifles not just loosened in their stocks anymore, we will actually seperate the stocks from the barreled actions to see if the change in mass will lessen our rates of damage. If anyone out there with an idea or a similar problem can respond to this it would be appreciated. David Lee e-mail: Coach David Lee ******************************************************************** Breakage of these [Ancshutz 2002 laminated] stocks happens, I am an importer of JGA to Australia and recently had a customers crack but not break through (yet).I informed Anschutz and they sent me a new stock in the next mail without question, they did not even want to inspect the failure. At the recent Oceania Games in Sydney a young shooter of my aquaintance also showed the JGA rep a cracked stock. The JGA man took the rifle and broke the stock over his knee then re glued the break and fitted a steel dowel to the repair overnight so the shooter could compete next day, obviously the technician was ready for the problem as he had all the repair gear with him in Sydney. Graeme Forbes Melbourne Australia ******************************************************************** I'm with the GB Junior Squad and the first two of us to get one [2002] both had the laminated stock crack as mentioned. Both were replaced, not repaired, by Anschutz. I got the beech stock as replacement which, just out of interest, I prefer as the pistol grip is rough and easier to grip. Jamie Mullen [Editor - OK, so it appears that the Anschutz and Steyr laminated stocks have some issues with cracking. Any horrors stories on Walther or FWB air rifles???] ******************************************************************** A few equipment replies- 1- I am personally aware of several Anschutz 2002 air stocks that broke at the pistol grip. One was repaired twice. Once by a well-known Anschutz repairman which then broke again at the same spot. It was once again repaired by the AMU shop and has had no further problems. I believe the AMU repair included bedding a kevlar/graphite rod through the grip (from top to bottom) to spread the stress along a different axis and help strengthen the repair. 2- Regarding Walther stocks- I have been using one for about 1 ½ years and have had no trouble. I also am using one of the earlier models which were machined and not cast. I am aware of a shooter who had a cast aluminum Walther stock which did just what others claim to have had happen- the handstop snapped out of the rail. However, I really don't think there are enough aluminum stocks (Walther or Anschutz or anything else) in use for any of us to make a definitive evaluation of their sturdiness. If this does occur, a simple repair is to have a local machinist inlet the rail area for one of the rails readily available from commercial sources. Bill Kelley Navy Rifle ******************************************************************** Re: Walther Aluminum Stock Failures: I recently experienced the aluminum stock failure mentioned on the Walther KK200 Sport. It's interesting to note that the first aluminum stocks Walther produced were milled from aluminum stock, and these are now made from a casting, and therin lies the problem. I believe the failure we experienced was aggrivated by the type of handrest we use, which actually put more outward pressure on the rail than the new Anschutz style stop, which would distribute the stress, across more of the rail. However, the rail just does not offer the strength that's needed. I think the engineers at Walther knew this was coming, and they added to the KK200 PM an additional removable fore end stock which slid into the aluminum rail, and had it's own, traditional accessory rail. This is actually the solution to the problem, as with the cast rail the alloy and temper of the aluminum can not be brought up to the standards that are needed. By the way, I've personally seen this exact failure on two other guns as well, so this is not a random problem. Regarding our problem, Walther has said they would happily replace the stock, but did not discuss the problem further. I have added the fore end stock which solves all the problems. This is an otherwise excellent stock, that is far more adaptable and efficient than a wood stock. I am convinced the aluminum stocks are the way to go, especially for juniors who are growing and changing. Paul Becks Ashland Eagles JRC [Editor - it appears this issue wasn't a one-time occurance as Wayne had been told.] ******************************************************************** Re: airgun range Here is an inexpensive and convenient set-up that I have seen, where the shooters mount two of the 12-bull targets side-by-side. (This allows firing 20-shot strings without having to change targets.) Set two of these targets side-by-side and measure the length and width. Get some 1/10 inch steel plating (this is heavy enough for air guns) cut to slightly larger dimensions. Mount this material to some 1/4 inch sheet stock (Hardboard, plywood). This comes in 8 x 4 foot sheets, so you can get two 8-foot lengths from a single sheet. One 8-foot length will span two 4-foot firing points. Now you will need to build a frame to hold these lentos. Typical 1-by lumber will do. The plywood panels should sit in grooves in the lumber, so that the lumber overhangs the panels by about 1-2 inches to the front of the panel. Attach some clips to the lumber to hold the targets in front of the steel. Put a lip on the bottom part of the frame to catch the pellets after they flatten against the steel. Put some screw-eyes in the top of the frames to receive some chains. The other end of the chains go to more screw-eyes in the ceiling. Then you just hang them up when you shoot air gun and take them down when you're done. They are only about 3 inches thick, so they store easily. If your ceiling is too high to reach conveniently, you could make some simple supports. This system works well. The pellets just flatten against the steel; they don't bounce back. The down side is that the shooters are restricted to just one target height, so if you shoot positions with air rifle you will have to move the pellet catchers. Good luck. ******************************************************************** It is the duty of each competitor to obey all the rules, not only those that happen to be enforced by the officials. However, the 30 degrees is an arbitrary number only to ensure the forearm is not lying on the mat, and I think it is not a critical number; as you said, it is not precisely measurable like a trigger pull weight. You are certainly not required to exceed any rule by "insurance", if you think you are meeting the rule exactly then it should be good enough. If you are planning to win the Olympics then someone else might complain (whether you meet the rule or not), but that's only because they aren't shooting as well as you are and they are hoping to upset you in some way. Also there is no need to meet this rule at all in practice, you should do whatever is most comfortable and save your wrist for the match. ******************************************************************** Changing barrels in your ANSCHUTZ is easy. To remove original barrel: Step 1. Backoff single 3mm set screw on bottom of receiver Step 2. Loosen (3) 4 mm socket head cap screws Step 3. Pull original barrel out of action. To install new barrel: Step 1. Slide barrel into receiver until it contacts loading ramp Step 2. Tighten 3 mm set screw on bottom of receiver Step 3. Tighten (3) 4 mm socket head cap screws Instructions courtesy of Lilja rifle barrels. http://www.riflebarrels.com/anschutz.htm This is just the 2000 series. The 54 action (14xx, 18xx, 19xx) is pinned, and you need a press to push it out. Headspace is set by the distance from the bolt face to the face of the barrel. It appears that the action has a stop, which indexes the face of the barrel. I don' t think that it could be done without a little zero change, but if there were a big match you would want to shoot it a little before anyway. I do barrel changes on my HP rifles all the time, but have not personally done it on a 2000. I have small zero changes, usually about 1/2 - 1 minute. Last year at the Nationals I shot across the course with one barrel, change the barrel that night, and shot the 1000yd match the next day. Chuck Whipple ******************************************************************** Michael, I need to find out if anyone out there has good used shooting jackets for young boys, 14 and up. They would need size 38-40. Thanks. Dr. Rick Selig [Editor - aside from Neal Johnson or Champion Shooters, I don't know who else to try.] ******************************************************************** I want to thank all who have replied. From this and another list I belong to I gather wrist pain is not uncommon. I shot this gun and rig for 8 years in the early sixites and now the last three years with out this wrist pain. Besides the BSA Maritini I use and old 10X canvas coat, Al Freeland sling with cuff and thick pad where it wraps around my hand and an old leather 10X mitt of leather with foam padding. I still think the fact I shortened the sling slightly brought on my problem. someone mentioned a swiveling handstop. I have often thought that my stop is shaped perfect for my hand, but is aimed at the trigger guard and if it could swivel more in the direction of my left shoulder it would be more comfortable. Perhaps this is the best solution. I am also convinced that it was the slight increase in bending of my wrist is the problem, so the total solution will need to keep the wrist slightly straighter even if I must shorten the sling to stay within the 30 degree rule. Its hard to discribe the bend that is the problem so I hope this makes sense. It seems like a bend towards the little finger to its max was the problem. I will continue to experiment a little in dry firing. My match tonight (2 hour drive one way) has been canceled due to snow. That ruins my day but gives me a chance for more dry firing. Rich [Editor - Anschutz makes 2 stops that you can "swivel". The 4751 is larger (close to a Freeland's in size and shape) and the 4752 is smaller (~1-3/8" diameter).] ******************************************************************** Hi Michael, (just being curious: how many people are on you mailing list, roughly?) [Editor - 448] > I was doing some reading about irises when I read Jeroen Hogema's comments > about the vertical shift that results when he adjusts his rear sight iris. > Apparently, this is common, and results when the iris is not perfectly > concentric. As the less-than-perfectly-concentric iris is closed or > opened, the center of the aperture will move as a result. There probably > isn't much you can do about it except to note how much of a correction is > necessary. Steve was right: the iris was far from perfect. There was one other option in addition to noting the correction required: get a new one. Same brand (Centra), same type. That helped 100%. Jeroen Hogema jhogema@worldonline.nl ******************************************************************** Michael; I just wanted to let you know that the world record for Men's Air Rifle has been broken in a big way, and that the one who did it is one of my former shooters when I was coach of the Thailand Men's Rifle team 1996-97. Tevarit, and his brother Varavut, are two of the most talented and dedicated athletes Janet and I have ever worked with. They have been able to reach these levels because of their dedication to training in all aspects of the sport. Most recently I coached Tevarit when he came to the Atlanta World Cup '99 where he shot a 592 placing in a tie for 13th. When he was here he showed me a SIUS tape print out of a 599 shot in training so the fact that he did shoot a 600 does not surprise me (too much). I am very excited and happy for him. The following was copied from the ISSF web site: The Limit Has Been Reached.... ... Six Hundred Points in the Men's Air Rifle Event The 24-year-old Tavarit Majchacheep of Thailand started the new millennium with a big bang in the shooting sport. With his victory today at the Asian championships in Malaysia, Majchacheep hit the half-millimeter-large center of the 10 m air rifle target 60 times, achieving the maximum score of 600 points for the first time in shooting sport history. The new Asian champion had never before made the final at a world cup but had placed fourth at the 1998 Asian games and won the 1998 South East Asian Championships with 595 points each time which had been his best former score. No wonder his 600 points was such a surprise today. Now, the world is anxiously awaiting the duel of the new world record holder with the world's elite air rifle shooter at the pre-Olympic competitions in Sydney this March. Best Wishes for Good Shooting, Marcus and Janet Raab Center Shot Sports http://www.centershot.com ******************************************************************** End of UIT Mailing List #13 Michael Ray - Systems Engineer Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. Rifle Coach UIT Shooting Page - http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/1190/index.htm