From topshot@indy.net Sat Jan 22 13:18:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (really [127.0.0.1]) by cs.tcd.ie via in.smtpd with esmtp (ident dennehym using rfc1413) id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 13:18:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.cs.tcd.ie by fetchmail-4.6.4 POP3 for (single-drop); Sat, 22 Jan 2000 13:18:16 GMT Received: from pop1.indy.net (pop1.indy.net [199.3.65.111]) by relay.cs.tcd.ie (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04054 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 13:18:04 GMT Received: from ray_pc (ip209-183-88-90.ts.indy.net [209.183.88.90]) by pop1.indy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA18954; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:53:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000122075447.00a1bec0@pop.indy.net> X-Sender: topshot@pop.indy.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:54:47 -0500 To: topshot@indy.net From: Michael Ray Subject: UIT Mailing List Vol. 4 - #11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO Content-Length: 7351 Lines: 161 Please e-mail address changes, unsubscribe requests, or submissions to me. In this issue: 1913 vs. 2013 Hand position / changing pellets Need LH rear sights Airgun range plans Re: Failure of Gehmann irises Wrist joint pain Looking for shooting books ******************************************************************** I am interested in purchasing a new .22 caliber rifle. I am looking at the Anshutz 1913 and 2013. I would like to know if there are any advantages or disadvantages to the new shorter barrel. I am also wondering if anyone knows the advantages/disadvantages to the new aluminum stocks. [Editor - From what the Anschutz gunsmith told me, if you are really good, the shorter barrel will help you in standing some because of shorter barrel time. The shorter barrel also allows more flexibility in the balance of the rifle. Accuracy is essentially the same. The AL stocks also allow flexibility in balance. The are more adjustable (at least easier since you aren't carving wood!). There have been a couple reports that they have cracked or broken when they were discussed on the list earlier. I don't know if they were Anschutz or Walther or ??? though.] ******************************************************************** Greetings! My name is Sead Muharemi I am writing to You from Croatia, and I am user of Your great mailing list. I have two questions to ask You, and would be more then thrilled if You could answer it. First: (mark: I am right handed, and shooting air-rifle 10m program) I am wondering about how much would the rigidnes of a left hand should be and in generaly how should I hold the left hand (must the position of bones be in straight line or not? What is better?...). Second: Due to expecens I am forced to use two kinds of ammo. One cheaper for shooting in blank and exercises like that, and another one, R10, for matches and groups. And I'm wondering does this have bad consequences on a longer time period. As I wrote, I would be more then happy if You could answer this e-mail, thank You. Sead Muharemi [Editor - I'm not sure how well you can see hand positions from the pics on my site, but there are quite a few variations used by top world shooters. The most popular is just resting the rifle on a balled fist where the fingers would be pointing toward you if you had them extended. This would appear to maximize bone support in my mind. There are some who have long arms though where doing that would have them aiming at the ceiling. They seem to either make a V with their thumb and forefinger and rest the gun in there or bend their hand back over and rest it on the palm (fingers would be perpendicular to the barrel). Whatever works best for you is what you should use. You can tell whether you are having muscle fatigue over time or twiching in the arm/hand. As for your second question, I really doubt it unless you are using REALLY cheap pellets that may have some kind of abrasive or that don't seal well in the barrel. You have probably noticed your zero will change when you switch.] ******************************************************************** Have just purchased the .22 Feinwerkbau 2602 Alu stock rifle LEFT HAND, but am not happy with the rear sight quality, any other L/H FWB or other lefties on the list care to comment and what alternative manufacturers make L/H rear rights other than Anschutz...... Regards, Bob Mallet. [Editor - I'd like to know as well. I don't like that fact that you can't buy the cheaper Anschutz sights in LH anymore.] ******************************************************************** We are trying to start an air rifle / pistol section at our .22 cartridge rifle club. Does anyone have any plans, drawings or even ideas to help us plan the range - we are using a 25 metre indoor rifle range, so the air section needs to be easily moved out of the way when not in use, possibly up into the ceiling. Any help or experiences would be appreciated. Many thanks Geoffrey Mullen [Editor - depends upon how fancy you want it. Are you going to have target carriers for 10m? I've seen a few ranges where they just mount the 10m traps along the wall so you shoot 10m perpendicular to the normal line of fire. Then you don't have to move anything unless you use carriers. Our team used to practice in our Auditorium and we had individual traps that we made that we wheeled out and then back when we were done. Just a few minutes to set up or take down, but requires storage space. Since you mention the ceiling, our idea could be easily adapted to that. However, they will inevitably get shot up unless you have baffles.] ******************************************************************** I was doing some reading about irises when I read Jeroen Hogema's comments about the vertical shift that results when he adjusts his rear sight iris. Apparently, this is common, and results when the iris is not perfectly concentric. As the less-than-perfectly-concentric iris is closed or opened, the center of the aperture will move as a result. There probably isn't much you can do about it except to note how much of a correction is necessary. Good Shooting, Steve Desrocher [Editor - I had thought of something similar but didn't realize this was such a common problem. I was wondering if it just had to do with geometric optics as well. Though I've not proven it to myself, I've read in several places that the zero will change as your eye moves closer or farther from the iris.] ******************************************************************** I'm 57 years old and shoot a BSA Martini MKIII that weighs around 16 pounds. For about four months now I have been suffering pain on the outside of my left wrist when shooting prone. Kneeling gives only slight pain. The rest of the time I notice this pain rarely. It hurts most when I put the forend stop in the crook or "V" created by the thumb and first finger. If I slide my hand back a bit so the forend stop is next to the knuckle of my first finger the pain is less. Even shooting like that I am unable to dry fire more than half dozen rounds today after a match yseterday. Has anyone else experienced this? A solution? exercise? Lighter gun? Giving up shooting prone is not an option even if it takes a wrist implant (bionic wrist ) . Thanks in advance for any ideas. ...... Rich [Editor - is your wrist straight while in position or bent? Have you been checked out for any of the carpal tunnel type things? Perhaps your stop is too large for your hand. We have the old Freeland stops which are too big for my small hands so I have been experimenting with some smaller ones and they do help my pain. Oddly, I have more pain in kneeling now than prone.] ******************************************************************** Does someone know who is selling these two books? On the Training of Shooters: v.1 Tr. fr. German S Greer & B Murray Reinkemeier, Heinz 1993 ISBN: 0952107708 On the Training of Shooters: v.2 Tr. fr. German S Greer & B Murray Reinkemeier, Heinz 1993 ISBN: 0952107716 Heikki Ovaska ******************************************************************** End of UIT Mailing List #11 Michael Ray - Systems Engineer Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. Rifle Coach UIT Shooting Page - http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/1190/index.htm